Paedophile Sex Ring in Norwich broken

[Xordium]

As for the crime being committed I think you'll find I am always disgusted by it and suggest those who are guilty face full punishment .

But not disgusted to enough to actually address the crime, until pressed, but protectionist enough to enter the thread with that agenda?

You are also a hypocrite. Whilst some may only enter threads to bash Muslims - I accept that and agree - you specifically entered this thread to not address the crime but push forward a protectionist agenda. You are guilty of the same methodology. Surely you can see the irony of calling them hypocrites?

What you do is the same on a small scale as what occurs in the systemic failures to prevent children because of the pervasive threat of the PC backlash when one dares to challenge the practice of an ethnic minority.

 

[antijoke]

The agenda in the OP is pretty clear.

The thread is also utter ****.

 

[Xordium]

my favourite was when Xordium was accused of being both a Jew and a Muslim in the same thread by each side of the argument

I'm an ethnic Jew who converted to Islam. I had this epiphany on the way to poo through someone's letterbox whilst riding the horse that provided the poo. I would hasten to add I paid road tax for my horse.

 

[Cosimo]

The travelling folk perchance?

OFCOM won't get upset if you used the other word...

 

[deuse]

I'd shoot the lot of them in a heart beat.

 

[Cosimo]

I'd shoot the lot of them in a heart beat.

Or just put them all together in a dark cell and throw away the key.

 

[elmarko]

I'd shoot the lot of them in a heart beat.

No you wouldn't, you would be just get angry & post on a forum about it.

Personally, I'd advocate social changes which are likely to prevent further children from being abused in the first place, but hey - that's just me.

you specifically entered this thread to not address the crime but push forward a protectionist agenda.

That's a stretch, the OP may simply have wanted to highlight hypocrisy, using the language & style used in threads like these to satirise the average OCUK post on these matters.

I agree the lack of concern with the actual victims is an issue, but that's actually the case for a vast majority of forum posters here, all they care about is ethical posturing & venting rage, no thought about what may be the best for the victims or to prevent future cases.

Point scoring across groups is no better or worse than simply comparing outrage.

 

[Tefal]

Personally, I'd advocate social changes which are likely to prevent further children from being abused in the first place, but hey - that's just me.

such as?

 

[Tefal]

No you wouldn't, you would be just get angry & post on a forum about it.

Personally, I'd advocate social changes which are likely to prevent further children from being abused in the first place, but hey - that's just me.

That's a stretch, the OP may simply have wanted to highlight hypocrisy, using the language & style used in threads like these to satirise the average OCUK post on these matters.

I agree the lack of concern with the actual victims is an issue, but that's actually the case for a vast majority of forum posters here, all they care about is ethical posturing & venting rage, no thought about what may be the best for the victims or to prevent future cases.

Point scoring across groups is no better or worse than simply comparing outrage.

whats hilarious is your edit about point scoring and not caring includes your original post which was literally just pointscoring and not careing about kids.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

For the record, I don't think anyone has argued that all sex offenders are foreigners. With so many high profile cases over the last few years, it would be impossible to argue that, even if you were so inclined to try.

The argument put forward by those who say there is a racial component to sex offences is that South Asians and Africans commit a disproportionate number of sex crimes. Which is absolutely true. They are committing something in the order of three to four times as many crime per capita.

Now you can argue about WHY that happens, be it economic, cultural, a feeling of alienation or anything in between. But if you look at the statistics, its difficult to argue its not happening. And not just here, but all over Europe.

 

[Tefal]

For the record, I don't think anyone has argued that all sex offenders are foreigners. With so many high profile cases over the last few years, it would be impossible to argue that, even if you were so inclined to try.

The argument put forward by those who say there is a racial component to sex offences is that South Asians and Africans commit a disproportionate number of sex crimes. Which is absolutely true. They are committing something in the order of three to four times as many crime per capita.

Now you can argue about WHY that happens, be it economic, cultural, a feeling of alienation or anything in between. But if you look at the statistics, its difficult to argue its not happening. And not just here, but all over Europe.

one of the major issues though is that they were known to be committing the crimes the victims had come forward but people whose job it was to stoop it didn't because they feared being called racist and losing their jobs.

 

[elmarko]

such as?

To out a greater emphasis on teaching children to foster empathy, increasing funding to social services for the young (such as sure-start).

Improve assistance for young mothers, parents to increase genuine self-esteem, well being & empathic development, reduce overall child poverty & increase access to stable high quality housing.

For older people remove the mindless outrage within society & put forward social plans & schemes to address, treat & manage people with desires (instead of leaving them hiding until they no longer able to prevent act out their sick desires). There are cases in some nations in which people have opted for voluntary chemical castration to prevent abuse.

While it's entirely possible we may never be able to stop the core base desires, we may on the other hand be able to have a population able to control them & seek assistance before they are no longer able. Teach them that it's impossible to have a consensual relationship with somebody unable to give informed consent.

Overall study & understand the mechanics behind it & use an evidence backed rational approach to resolving this issue as greatly as we are able.

It's going to be more productive than playing whackamole & punishing them AFTER they've ruined the lives of some poor child.

 

[Twirlywoos]

But not disgusted to enough to actually address the crime, until pressed, but protectionist enough to enter the thread with that agenda?

You are also a hypocrite. Whilst some may only enter threads to bash Muslims - I accept that and agree - you specifically entered this thread to not address the crime but push forward a protectionist agenda. You are guilty of the same methodology. Surely you can see the irony of calling them hypocrites?

What you do is the same on a small scale as what occurs in the systemic failures to prevent children because of the pervasive threat of the PC backlash when one dares to challenge the practice of an ethnic minority.

Maybe you should delve through my posts on similar threads and see I don't only find these acts abhorrent when asians are involved.

 

[Xordium]

Maybe you should delve through my posts on similar threads and see I don't only find these acts abhorrent when asians are involved.

I am directly addressing your comments in this thread.

 

[Twirlywoos]

I am directly addressing your comments in this thread.

That's called nit picking and not looking at the full picture. What you've done is no different to the gutter tabloids demonizing people, groups, communities by taking things out of context.

 

[Xordium]

That's a stretch, the OP may simply have wanted to highlight hypocrisy, using the language & style used in threads like these to satirise the average OCUK post on these matters.

I wasn't addressing the OP in that particular post that you decided to quote there.

You rightly address areas of that would need to be addressed in order to stat to tackle the problem but you miss out those actions need to be effective and efficient and therefore it makes sense to target them at the most likely demographics where abuse is known to occur.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

one of the major issues though is that they were known to be committing the crimes the victims had come forward but people whose job it was to stoop it didn't because they feared being called racist and losing their jobs.

Yes, agreed. But the fact South Asian and African immigrants are far more likely to commit sex crimes should not be ignored either. We need to examine WHY they do so.

 

[Xordium]

That's called nit picking and not looking at the full picture. What you've done is no different to the gutter tabloids demonizing people, groups, communities by taking things out of context.

No, I am directly responding to your comments in this thread. You explicitly condemned people for entering threads to attack ethnic minorities when you explicitly posted in this thread with a protectionist response towards said minorities. It is written here in, in this thread, in plain English.

Surely the goal here is to tackle child abuse where it is found not play down its effect in one group by demonstrating its lesser occurrence in another?

 

[MikeTheNative]

Good old OCUK, lets forget about the topic and have a petty argument amongst ourselves. I don't think these sex rings are anything new to Britain. It's just these people are not as good as covering it up as some of the old guard.

 

[elmarko]

I wasn't addressing the OP in that particular post that you decided to quote there.

You rightly address areas of that would need to be addressed in order to stat to tackle the problem but you miss out those actions need to be effective and efficient and therefore it makes sense to target them at the most likely demographics where abuse is known to occur.

I have no problem with using facts to target resources at cultural areas in which abuse is more likely to occur.

The issue is when these facts are taken as justification for wider, sweeping racist generalisations (which happens pretty often on this forum).

whats hilarious is your edit about point scoring and not caring includes your original post which was literally just pointscoring and not careing about kids.

If you think that suggesting people consider methods which actually reduce child abuse is point-scoring then fair enough, but I'll have to disagree.