So if next time, the vote is yes, can all those who voted no call for another referendum?
Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible
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So if next time, the vote is yes, can all those who voted no call for another referendum?
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Not at the last general election no as there was no manifesto pledge to hold one. But if the SNP were to have a referendum pledge in their manifest for the Scottish elections next year and the people elect them with a majority then that is the will of the people.
If you don't want that to happen don't vote SNP. Simples.
Yes. If there is sufficient demand a unionist party can have a manifesto pledge to hold another referendum. If they win they can hold the referendum.
Deja vu. I am sure I typed that just minutes earlier.
So for as long as there is a demand for a referendum, you just keep having one?
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Well, they weren't elected on that basis, so they can hush now.
The word 'independence' appeared once in the manifesto... and that one time was in a sentence where they said the election wasn't about it,
You are correct. They were not elected on that basis. But that doesn't mean the SNP are not allowed to talk about it. It is their Raison d'etre. If Labour won the last election you wouldn't expect the Tories to stop talking about how the Labour party aren't doing enough to screw the poor and help the rich!
Yes. Democracy.
Am I not making myself clear enough? I thought it was a pretty simple concept.
Doesn't really matter. They need the permission of the UK government for any such referendum to be valid. And that is extremely unlikely given that they have just allowed one. Heck, it's been how many years since there was last a vote on Europe? Hopefully we can expect the same sort of time to pass before another independence referendum comes along to try ripping the country apart again.
And once again parties don't attempt election on a single manifesto - or at least they shouldn't ... and people have voted for the party not a single manifesto.
Like I said I am happy for Scotland to go as long as it is under fair conditions for the other parties. And then if they wish to go the same path then I think that is a good thing too.
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It is the sole purpose of the SNP though. It's not like they are keeping it a secret or something.
The Tories can't stop us from having one if that is the will of the people. They could refuse to recognize the result. Who knows what would happen if they did that.
Nothing would happen. Becuase the SNP would need the UK's help in making the break possible.
You can't just sever ties the money that makes up UK GDP doesn't even exist.
I highly doubt we'll see civil war or a Coup d'etat
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You can't possibly know what would happen in such a scenario. No one can.
It would leave the union in tatters if it were a YES and the Tories refused to accept it. That much is for sure.
Unfortunately as it stands a majority of people in Scotland don't want to leave. Hopefully that will change.
Nothing would happen well nothing good would happen for Scotland. The crimea is having this problem at the moment.
I like how you say Tories The UK government may not be Tory They may have no say.
Either way it's a pointless discussion the SNP aren't stupid enough to do that. You'll get another referendum but probably not for a good few years. I estimate about the amount of time it takes to remove all the oil........ (That's a joke btw)
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Support for Independence has stayed the same or increased very slightly according to recent polls. The majority of people that voted for the SNP at the general election do want Independence. That is not the same as the majority want another referendum right away though.
so a minority?
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Again, this is simply your opinion. I wouldn't be surprised that if the Tories refused to accept a YES vote, then the SNP would go to the UN / International court for help.
As for me using the Tories when talking about the government, I think it is extremely likely the Tories will be in power for another 10+ years minimum.
Yes a very slight minority.
But a vote for a party doesn't mean you agree with, or want everything in their manifesto. It's convenient to say it is (especially for the party), but in reality this isn't the case. Voters make an educated decision as to what party/manifesto they like best, doesn't mean they agree with all of it. Lets call it a flaw in the system.
Yes and the sooner the change takes place the better!
but they don't.
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You can be sure that if the SNP have a manifesto promise to hold a referendum then they will 100% go through with that.
If you don't want that to happen, vote for someone else or don't vote. No one forces you to vote for any party.
If you vote for the SNP, then that is a vote for a referendum (assuming they have a manifesto pledge).
Agreed.
You are just trolling me now.
You keep going on about democracy yet seem determined there should be another referendum despite your awareness that the majority of Scots do not want one.
The SNP aren't a one policy party, or at least they weren't until the last couple of years. Their support will start to drop off if they can't get over their independence defeat and concentrate on running the country. Unfortunately supporting the SNP is also a bit of a cult, particularly in the younger generations, they could come out with utterly ridiculous policies and people would still blindly vote for them. It's worrying.
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Oh deary me. Where to start.
Your first paragraph. Go read what I have written (and repeated many times) and then maybe you can come back and write something sensible.
The SNP have done a very good job of running Scotland for the last 8 years and counting. They started off as a minority government, went on to get a majority and now have 56 out of 59 Scottish MP's. All polls predict that they are on course to win a majority at the Scottish elections next year. They must be doing something right!
You call them a cult. That is an insult to the majority of Scottish people who voted for them.
Your arguments are weak son.
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