Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

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Five.Stars said:
Give it a rest. Scotland has spoken. That is it, done and dusted for at least a generation.
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Another anti democratic person.

KillBoY_UK said:
A referendum every 5 years would be detrimental for Scotland, little long term planning could be done by local/uk/Scotish governments as you would have no idea what the status of the country would be. Major business investments/decisions could be affected for similar reasons.

A second Scottish referendum is inevitable its the time frame that's in general. "once in lifetime" seem perfectly fair as to me a lifetime or generation in this instance is 15-20 years.

Then again this is the SNP and Alex we are talking about who like to change there tune when it suits them like most other politicians and nationalist.
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Seems a little undemocratic to me. You can have a referendum but not before an arbitrary time period has elapsed which will be decided not by the voters.

Five.Stars said:
You clearly have not Sir! That isn't even up for any kind of debate.
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Yet another person who has not read the thread in full yet feels they are informed enough to make what they believe to be a factual comment.
 
Why did I vote yes?

I thought it was for the best, but I will say my dislike for Westminster was paramount in swaying my vote to yes.

I was worried about things they would not answer currency being one, and I am not a fan of Alex.

But it was stated it was a once in a lifetime thing, not every 4-5 years because we didnt get the result we wanted. We can't expect these new powers in the matter of months well I don't think we can.

I am anti Westminster, I am not Anti-UK.. I am proud to be Scottish, but my petty dislike for the English stayed in my childhood thankfully.
 
lovelyhead said:
Yet another person who has not read the thread in full yet feels they are informed enough to make what they believe to be a factual comment.
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Wrong! I have read every single post in the thread, so it is yourself who is ill informed. However, it is as clear as day that you have not and never will accept the will of the Scottish people until such time as a referendum, legally binding or otherwise is able to give a majority in favour of Scottish independence.
 
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Five.Stars said:
Wrong! I have read every single post in the thread, so it is yourself who is ill informed.However, it is as clear as day that you have not and never will accept the will of the Scottish people until such time as a referendum, legally binding or otherwise is able to give a majority in favour of Scottish independence.
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It obviously didn't sink in when you read it then. Just to remind you, I have accepted the referendum result and no that does not preclude me from wanting another when the people give the SNP a mandate to have one.

You would think from this thread it was the YES side that won! The unionists obviously feel threatened by the SNP if a lone SNP MP voicing his opinion ends up in a huge thread like this!
 
lovelyhead said:
It obviously didn't sink in when you read it then. Just to remind you, I have accepted the referendum result and no that does not preclude me from wanting another when the people give the SNP a mandate to have one.

You would think from this thread it was the YES side that won! The unionists obviously feel threatened by the SNP if a lone SNP MP voicing his opinion ends up in a huge thread like this!
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It sunk in just fine, thanks. I stand by my conclusion after reading your posts that you are unable or unwilling to accept the democratic will of the Scottish people until such time as that will matches your own.

"It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity."

Which part of that do you have a difficulty in comprehending?
 
lovelyhead said:
It obviously didn't sink in when you read it then. Just to remind you, I have accepted the referendum result and no that does not preclude me from wanting another when the people give the SNP a mandate to have one.

You would think from this thread it was the YES side that won! The unionists obviously feel threatened by the SNP if a lone SNP MP voicing his opinion ends up in a huge thread like this!
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Not threatened, probably surprised that months after a hugely divisive referendum that there is talk of another from the losing side.
 
Five.Stars said:
It sunk in just fine, thanks. I stand by my conclusion after reading your posts that you are unable or unwilling to accept the democratic will of the Scottish people until such time as that will matches your own.

"It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity."

Which part of that do you have a difficulty in comprehending?
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How does you posting that extract change what I have been saying throughout this thread?

OK just one more time for your benefit:

If the SNP have a manifesto commitment to hold a referendum during the lifetime of the next parliament (for instance) and the people vote for them, then the SNP will have a mandate to hold said referendum.

This would not be contradictory to the extract you posted.

People saying they should not have another for some arbitrary time frame are just being undemocratic.

jamief said:
Not threatened, probably surprised that months after a hugely divisive referendum that there is talk of another from the losing side.
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I am sure you would have nothing to worry about though. The unionist's won the last time. I am sure you will win again...
 
"The SNP are not planning another referendum, but equally it is not in the gift of any politician or party to rule it out indefinitely. The timing of any future referendum is a matter for the people of Scotland to decide – and not for a Tory prime minister to dictate," said an SNP spokesperson in response to David Cameron saying he is ruling out a second referendum in the next five years.
 
lovelyhead said:
Seems a little undemocratic to me. You can have a referendum but not before an arbitrary time period has elapsed which will be decided not by the voters.
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Never said it wasn't, I was just pointing out a referendum every 5 years on independence has some major risks even before you count voter apathy. If you don't have some allow for 'arbitrary time period to elapsed' why don't we have a referendum every week or every day? or a referendum on every bill that passes through parliament as that would be more democratic.
 
lovelyhead said:
How does you posting that extract change what I have been saying throughout this thread?

OK just one more time for your benefit:

If the SNP have a manifesto commitment to hold a referendum during the lifetime of the next parliament (for instance) and the people vote for them, then the SNP will have a mandate to hold said referendum.

This would not be contradictory to the extract you posted.

People saying they should not have another for some arbitrary time frame are just being undemocratic.
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No they would not. What they would have is a mandate to lobby Westminster to agree to hold another referendum, ala an Edinburgh Agreement part 2.

Unless you think a non legally binding referendum in which the rules would I assume be set out by the then Scottish government is the way to go, even though it would in effect hold as much validity as an online poll?
 
lovelyhead said:
If nothing else, having 56 SNP MP's at Westminster has proven how unequal this "union" is.
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What do you mean exactly? The number of SNP MPs as a percentage of the total Westminster MPs is roughly the same as the Scottish population compared with that of the UK.
 
jetpaczx said:
Why did I vote yes?

I thought it was for the best, but I will say my dislike for Westminster was paramount in swaying my vote to yes.

I was worried about things they would not answer currency being one, and I am not a fan of Alex.

But it was stated it was a once in a lifetime thing, not every 4-5 years because we didnt get the result we wanted. We can't expect these new powers in the matter of months well I don't think we can.
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Similar reasons to my self, the fact it was a one off as far as I'm concerned has made me quite anti-second referendum. Let's get on with trying to sort the UK out rather than causing more strife.
 
Five.Stars said:
No they would not. What they would have is a mandate to lobby Westminster to agree to hold another referendum, ala an Edinburgh Agreement part 2.

Unless you think a non legally binding referendum in which the rules would I assume be set out by the then Scottish government is the way to go, even though it would in effect hold as much validity as an online poll?
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inb4 well if the tories choose to reject it we'll see what happens after that. Democracy blah blah. Broken record.


fortunately the SNP understand politics better than some of their supporters :D
 
at what point does anyone in the SNP point out that Scotland cant afford to stand alone.

the rest of the uk would be bailing them out from day one.

SNP clowns.
 
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