Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

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ThePirateHulk said:
Do you have any evidence to support that bold claim?
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55% of voters voting against independence is pretty strong evidence.

Are we ruling this out because it was 10 months ago and things have changed so massively since then?

The most significant change since the referendum is the crash of the oil price essentially sealing the fate of the North Sea O&G sector, I wouldn't be surprised if the No vote had increased rather than vice versa.
 
Tefal said:
it was giving Scotland full fiscal autonomy and removing Westminsters right to veto changes.
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Is there something fundamentally wrong with all revenue spent in Scotland being raised in Scotland? Given that we're all "subsidy junkies" north of the border I would have thought that the ENglish would love that idea.

And why should a party with one single MP be allowed to veto the decisions in a different parliament where the governing party have an outright majority?
 
Elixir said:
55% of voters voting against independence is pretty strong evidence.
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You do understand that the desire to have a referendum is not the same as the desire for independence. I know quite a few unionists who want another referendum as they see it as a way of putting the issue to bed and damaging the SNP at the same time.

Are we ruling this out because it was 10 months ago and things have changed so massively since then?
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I'm not ruling anything out. I'm very open minded about another referendum. I don't think it should be in the next Scottish parliamentary term but it's obvious that it will happen eventually...and that is all Salmond was saying.

The most significant change since the referendum is the crash of the oil price essentially sealing the fate of the North Sea O&G sector, I wouldn't be surprised if the No vote had increased rather than vice versa.
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The SNP said throughout the referendum debate that oil revenue in nothing but a bonus. Without it our GDP per capita would still have been on par with the British average.

Perhaps if people on here had actually listened to the debate properly instead of getting all their views from the Sun, Daily Mail and the Telegraph then they wouldn't be so prone to making ridiculous claims and factual errors.
 
ThePirateHulk said:
The SNP said throughout the referendum debate ... ridiculous claims and factual errors.
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I've snipped out the middle bit to make your sentence more accurate.

You believed the SNPs side of the story because that's what you want to believe, the truth as always is somewhere in the middle. I, like most people I know, did my own research based on all of the information available to me. I would also assume the number of Yes supporters blindly believing WingsOverScotland was not insignificant, so the propaganda argument is a two way street.

It's a shame that none of the SNP supporters in this thread can have this discussion without constantly trying to belittle/patronise people, being so over-defensive is a pretty strong sign of insecurity.
 
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ThePirateHulk said:
The SNP said throughout the referendum debate that oil revenue in nothing but a bonus. Without it our GDP per capita would still have been on par with the British average.

Perhaps if people on here had actually listened to the debate properly instead of getting all their views from the Sun, Daily Mail and the Telegraph then they wouldn't be so prone to making ridiculous claims and factual errors.
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What the SNP say is hardly much better than the "Sun, Daily Mail and the Telegraph".

Spending is higher in Scotland. There's little doubt the country would be in difficulty if the current decline in oil prices had happened post independence.

ThePirateHulk said:
I've no desire for Scotland to rule anybody or anything apart from it's own fate. It is precisely the arrogant, supremist, imperialistic attitude of the the "rule britannia" brigade that turns so many Scots off the union.
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We have a fair share of idiots on both sides of the border.

In Scotland you call them "arrogant, supremist", elsewhere they're called Alex Salmond and the SNP ;)
 
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Yeah. Just read Wings Over Scotland and everything will be grand eh?

lovelyhead said:
The Tories can't stop us from having one if that is the will of the people. They could refuse to recognize the result. Who knows what would happen if they did that.
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Nothing.

lovelyhead said:
You are showing your ignorance again. Salmond did want a devo max option on the ballot paper but Cameron ruled it out.
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Of course he did. Salmond wanted it not because he wanted Devo Max, but because it would split the No vote. Thus the Yes vote would win. Simply because the majority of Yes supporters are a bunch of fanatics (I mean, just look at Dundee) who wished for independence regardless of the cost. No other reason AT ALL.

OldCoals said:
Salmond didn't want a Devo Max option on the ballot did he, he wanted an in or out referendum, he got it.
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He did absolutely want it, as it would strengthen his grab for independence as stated above.
 
lovelyhead said:
Why 10 years? Why not 7? or 8? Who decides? You?
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You do understand that regardless of the outcome, an independence referendum causes serious damage to Scotland and the UK right?

Why do you want to put people through that less then a decade apart?



Moses said:
Is lovelyhead biohazard? Or just equally rabid?
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I asked that on the last page XD

ubersonic said:
Blind love of independance: Check!

Brands anyone who disagrees undemocratic/anti-scottish: Check!

Unable to multiquote his replies: Check!


Has anyone checked his IP against Biohazard's? XD
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Given the apparent about turn on the vow and the potential of English Nationalists forcing an exit from the EU - another referendum could be justified.
 
I don't know what's left to say, the Tory's gonna Tory, the SNP gonna blame anyone other than themselves, they are nothing but opportunistic chancers.
 
It will be a neverendum, and an agenda drum the SNP are going to keep banging on.

Eventually they may get their own way, who knows? It will certainly help their cause having 5 years of full fat Torie rule I'd imagine.
 
Can you imagine if the vote had been "yes" and the United Kingdom government had halted Scottish independence and scheduled a new referendum post EU membership results because "things have changed and we need to check if the Scottish people might have changed their minds"?

Oh, hang on, North Sea oil revenues have dropped massively, better put independence on hold and ask again...

Hmm... It's a bit rainy in Glasgow this afternoon, time to revisit the referendum again just in case.
 
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