The Microsoft acquisition of Nokia post-2015... epic fail or long-term benefits?

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I'm sure I remember you saying the same thing about "closing the app gap" when Windows Phone 7 came out.

And when Windows Phone 8 came out...

 

[Caged]

Writing a Windows 10 desktop app does not mean you've written a mobile app. You have to completely retool the UI which takes time, and the decision on whether to use this time will be based on the potential market.

Windows 10 does not have an enormous user base, it's been out for 2 days and replaced an OS that was more or less ignored by the exact types of organisations that are supposedly going to be all over Windows Mobile now. It has an enormous potential user base, but so did Windows 8.

 

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I have to be honest, I can't see Windows 10 as being the almighty saviour on the desktop or the phone.

I may of course be wrong (on the desktop side) but I still can't see the appeal of it over Windows 7 to be honest. Perhaps somebody can explain that to me.

 

[Caged]

Windows 10 plays very nicely with Microsoft's cloud strategy (Azure AD, Office 365 etc. Large chunks of it aren't finished yet though).

I have no doubt Windows 7 will be the next XP.

 

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Windows 7 was the OS that finally made people upgrade from XP and that was two versions after XP so by that logic Windows 12 should be the next "good" release, yes.

I just think Microsoft's strategy is wrong here. I get 10 is a big upgrade over 8 but I still feel like it's Microsoft trying to make a phone OS for the desktop rather than a true desktop OS. I will admit that I haven't used it massively though.

 

[mame]

Nokia did the same with phones as commodore did with the Amiga. they were number one and untouchable so kept putting out the same over and over/became complacent (A500,A500+.A600,A1200). When some Japanese TV/VCR company called Sony announced they were making a games console (PS1) they probably laughed. When the the world was screaming out for a 32-bit CD-based console they gave what they thought everyone wanted, it's........... an Amiga with a CD-drive (CD-32) or for Nokia phones, symbian. It's a Nokia after all.

Later on, Nokia probably just adopted the least popular OS to try and stay individual, especially with their comments on Android.

That being said, I wouldn't have not chosen commodore or Nokia in those times.

 

[cu3ed]

]Glaucus is a troll and not a very good one at that.
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Even Microsoft have accepted that Windows Phone is ****ed. Why do you think they develop all their apps for iOS and Android and in some cases update their apps on those platforms faster than their own Windows Phone counterparts?

Yet here you are doing the exact same thing in each of these threads.

 

[Tunney]

I remember when Microsoft purchased Nokia's mobile phone division, I said that it was a terrible move and all Nokia was doing was outsourcing redundancies. Others very strongly disagreed with me and said that it was saving the jobs of everyone at Nokia and was making the best of a bad situation..

Microsoft was always seen as the enemy inside Nokia. Even if Microsoft had the perfect strategy, morale would still have been rock-bottom. Anyone with the skills and ambition to leave, did so when Nokia mobile phones was bought by Microsoft. This was a failed deal from the start.

So sad to see it end like this.

 

[ubersonic]

A massive failure, it's been nothing but a disaster for all involved. Microsoft owning one of the main WP producers was the main reason other companies stopped making WP devices, and all the phones released since the acquisition have been subpar. In addition MS now appears to be retiring Lumia apps in WP10 in favour of inferior Microsoft apps.

Sadly when it comes to designing a phone Microsoft still don't have a clue hence why the 950/950XL (AKA the 950 plus and 950 XXXL) look like almost as big a screw up as the 930 >.>

The 930 is only Kist over a year old. For most countries, July 2014, didn't make sense to realise a high end in July 2015 with w10 so close.

It may not be that old for most countries but it's still 20 months old and wasn't even that good when launched due to being a "budget flagship"

 

[Christmas themed thank]

Yet here you are doing the exact same thing in each of these threads.

I stated my opinion - which is based on evidence. I don't see how I am trolling.

 

[Fallen god]

At this point we really just wait a few months and see, if MSFT doesn't do something before the end of the year then it is basically just RIP. Still don't know a single person within my extend group of friends and family with a WP.

 

[JoeF1]

Fail.

This. Windows Phone is dead.

The thread should have stopped here to be honest.

 

[thep02]

The acquisition and subsequent operation was clearly an epic fail, no good or bad luck played a part just very bad management making very poor decisions no doubt prompted by a sense of security created by a self percieved top dog status within both the MS and Nokia staff. Not just in the OS space but also in the hardware both trying to buck the market and tell the plebs what they liked was wrong and they should buy what we make, not a winning strategy.

I've read a few articles recently which were pointing out serious flaws in W10 which will kill it as a mobile platform, I didn't save the articles as I wasn't reading with this thread in mind but as they say Google is your friend or perhaps Bing.

The population that can afford phones worth companies fighting to put an OS on are pretty much locked into their chosen OS.

If the management of both firms had made the right call in year one they could have been apple sitting on a pile of cash

Give the market what it wants.

 

[Christmas themed thank]

The thread should have stopped here to be honest.

But yet I'm called a troll because my opinion doesn't fit in with Glaucus'.

WP was interesting two years ago but there's nothing interesting about it now. It's never going to get a decent marketshare and I think MSFT know that.

 

[ubersonic]

Give the market what it wants.

Sadly they are currently working on a pair of bloated flagships (950/950XL) that just expand on the 930's failure

 

[ubersonic]

WP was interesting two years ago but there's nothing interesting about it now. It's never going to get a decent marketshare and I think MSFT know that.

The fact that my Lumia 920 is almost three years old and still the best all round WP due to being the last real flagship is a testament to MS's failings, all the would be successors (925, 1020, 930) have cut corners in some way and gimped themselves.

 

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I literally cannot understand how a company like Microsoft can go from Windows Mobile (which to be honest I hated but I'd already seen the iPhone when I first used that properly) to Windows Phone.

Did Microsoft not have anyone say, "the iPhone's out, we should look into that..."

 

[ubersonic]

Did Microsoft not have anyone say, "the iPhone's out, we should look into that..."

They did, that's the problem. WP is a great phone O/S, the problem is that like IOS only it's creator makes handsets for it, and they suck.

 

[cu3ed]

Sadly they are currently working on a pair of bloated flagships (950/950XL) that just expand on the 930's failure

Because you know that for a fact?
Seems to be more hate here than anything, which is is odd. Having ma in the mobile space doesn't have any effect on the other two. Also been using a 930 since its release, still very happy with the handset.

 

[ubersonic]

Because you know that for a fact?

Granted the leaks from the factory could all be wrong and they could have completely changed direction and started making decent phones again.

But the odds on that are sadly astronomical

Seems to be more hate here than anything, which is is odd.

Not really, most of us here are WP/Lumia fans so what your seeing isn't hate more anger. It's like watching your favourite team playing sports and getting enraged if they keep doing stupid things.