Stupid prohibition: psychoactive substances bill

Freakbro · 31 Jul 2015 at 12:34

scorza said:
Is Opium not banned already? Wouldn't mind trying a bit of that if it was legal.

Opium is illegal, it's very nice though......so I've heard.....

scorza · 31 Jul 2015 at 12:36

Freakbro said:
Opium is illegal, it's very nice though......so I've heard.....

Heard it was very moreish too.

Haggisman · 31 Jul 2015 at 12:36

anything I don't mind said:
The Risk with nitrous is that it can lead to cardiac arrest when mixed with mdma and other uppers. I've seen it myself. Back in SA there was guys selling nitrous from large canisters, this is proper pharma grade nitrous with big baloons. This fat guy who had taken too much mdma took a hit of the baloon and flat lined on the dance floor. The medics tried adrenaline shot to his heart but never got another heart beat out of him.

In my opinion it is not realy a party drug and not suited for environments where uppers are being taken. Which tends to be where its used most.

By that logic should we ban paracetamol, since when mixed with alcohol has an increased risk of liver damage?

Or ban Red Bull, coffee, and tea, since drinking too much of them can increase the risk of a heart attack?

Lets ban water as well, drinking too much of it can kill you (a possiblity when you've been taking ecstasy)

anything I don't mind · 31 Jul 2015 at 12:39

Haggisman said:
By that logic should we ban paracetamol, since when mixed with alcohol has an increased risk of liver damage?

Or ban Red Bull, coffee, and tea, since drinking too much of them can increase the risk of a heart attack?

I am not for banning anything. I am just pointing out that nitrous oxide in my opinion is not an ideal party drug, as it reacts negatively with more common party drugs like mdma and speed.

The risk of nitrous when mixed with uppers is far greater than redbull or coffee. I have seen many people pass out from nitrous, never seen anyone pass out from coffee or redbull.

Tuppy_Glossop · 31 Jul 2015 at 12:59

You don't need other drugs to make NOS dangerous, just have to have too much. When I was a lad my dentist dies from too much NOS. He kept taking a little bit more and eventually crossed his line.

Xordium · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:02

In fairness you can do that with anything eg oxygen and water.

Freakbro · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:04

scorza said:
Heard it was very moreish too.

So's chocolate, doesn't mean you can't just have a mars bar every now and then

Xordium · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:05

Freakbro said:
So's chocolate, doesn't mean you can't just have a mars bar every now and then

I think there is a quantitative difference between the two and I am guessing you know that too!

Tuppy_Glossop · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:07

Xordium said:
In fairness you can do that with anything eg oxygen and water.

You can't be making a case for outlawing those, can you ?

Xordium · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:11

Tuppy_Glossop said:
You can't be making a case for outlawing those, can you ?

I've made it quite clear in post 2 I am not for outlawing anything as I don't believe it works.

I was countering your notion that NOS is bad by itself in larger quantities. That in itself is a moot point as I stated. I would wager more people die every year from water toxicity than NOS inhalation - well I know this to be true so there would be no point betting against me. So you can't ban something just because too much of it may harm you.

dirtychinchilla · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:14

Moses said:
What happens if an eighteen year old has a pint of beer a week? What happens if an eighteen year old has a spliff a week?

Beer once a week, maybe you trip over your shoelace. Joint once a week, you spend a couple of hours feeling a bit happy.

What's your point?

balky12 · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:18

Too much of most things can harm you.

NOS is relatively harmless. It's the special ones that use plastic bags or industrial size canisters hooked up to masks.

8g canister in a balloon isn't going to kill you...

Xordium · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:18

dirtychinchilla said:
What's your point?

His point I would suspect is that people who play the omg alcohol does more damage card have a habit of comparing hardcore alcoholics with social occasional cannabis smokers when really they should be comparing them with hardcore crack-heads.

dirtychinchilla · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:21

Moses said:
I'm asking, for example, what damage is done to a developing brain when one consumes a pint a week vs a joint a week. People always spack out and say how alcohol does x harm, and it does do a lot of harm overall. But how does it compare to different drugs when used in moderation? I'm wanting meaningful comparisons, rather than people spacking and say, 'LOL BUT WEED DOESN'T KILL ANYONE. ALCOHOL DOES LOL'.

Honestly, I have no idea. One of culturally acceptable despite the damage it does, though.

I've smoked a lot of weed, and my memory has suffered severely, but if I stop it does recover.

Tefal · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:22

Moses said:
I'm asking, for example, what damage is done to a developing brain when one consumes a pint a week vs a joint a week. People always spack out and say how alcohol does x harm, and it does do a lot of harm overall. But how does it compare to different drugs when used in moderation? I'm wanting meaningful comparisons, rather than when you have people spacking and saying, 'LOL BUT WEED DOESN'T KILL ANYONE. ALCOHOL DOES LOL'.

raise the age for consuming all drugs/alcohol/cigarettes to 21?

reduce the age if it is proved they are safe for developing brains on a compound by compound basis.

doofer · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:23

More people die laughing at our Govt. than they do using laughing gas, we should ban them immediately.

Tefal · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:23

Moses said:
What happens if an eighteen year old has a pint of beer a week? What happens if an eighteen year old has a spliff a week?

likely nothing in either case tbh, also both of those are unrealistically low examples.

BloodyL · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:26

I'm thinking it would be better recieved if it was called the "Synthesised Psychoactive Substances Bill".

Tuppy_Glossop · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:27

Xordium said:
So you can't ban something just because too much of it may harm you.

I'm not suggesting anybody does. What I was trying to do was to counter the notion that NOS is only dangerous when mixed with other uppers/party drugs.

Tefal · 31 Jul 2015 at 13:40

Moses said:
Why the same for all? Why 21? I mention developing brains with regards to drug use because I remember seeing stuff about there being particularly bad effects when it comes to them (so up to ~25).

cause 21 is a generaly accepted cut off age for the brain to be "developed." (ie the main issue for cannabis schizophrenia should have manifested by then)

Likely nothing? Nice stab in the dark. Such statements are what undermine these threads, tbh - if you don't know, why guess?

the probably billions at this point of human trials conducted by most teenages, if any substance had a major effect wed be seeing it on a very wide scale.