Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

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And let's face it, the decision as to when to have another referendum isn't purely for the "Scottish people" as the SNP like to claim. How would they even gauge support? A referendum on whether to have a referendum? It's a decision for the UK government of the day, and the UK PM who gives another one will merely set a precedent that it's fine for the SNP to continue pushing the matter until they get the outcome they want...

The SNP can put it in their manifesto next year and again in 2020, but it makes no odds because it's not up to them.

So so wrong. They could gauge support by conducting opinion polls. If they seem favorable they would then have a manifesto commitment at the next election. Wait, you haven't read the whole thread have you...
 
So so wrong. They could gauge support by conducting opinion polls. If they seem favorable they would then have a manifesto commitment at the next election. Wait, you haven't read the whole thread have you...

There's not a cat in hells chance of a second referendum for the foreseeable.

The SNP won a majority in Scotland, had a 4 year yes campaign and subsequently lost a referendum less than a year ago.

If they hold another vote, no one else will be taking part.

Opinion in Scotland is clearly very divided, but it's time to put the subject to bed and respect the outcome of the vote.
 
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So so wrong. They could gauge support by conducting opinion polls. If they seem favorable they would then have a manifesto commitment at the next election. Wait, you haven't read the whole thread have you...

You're right, I haven't read the entirety of the thread, but frankly I'd not trust an opinion poll commissioned by the Scottish government, and opinion polls have lately proven to be wide of the mark by quite a bit.

But that's still besides the point. Manifesto pledge has no bearing on anything since it doesn't have the backing of Westminster. The rest of the UK should now be able to take comfort from the outcome, which, while it was in doubt, was harmful to investment in the UK, and more specifically to Scotland.

My original point stands.
 
The SNP cannot put the subject to bed though. It's so much of their reason for existing they can't just say "ok, lets make a great job of being a strong Scotland as part of the Union and forget the independence thing".

By definition the SNP is set up to lobby for leaving the union, that's not going to change so expect calls for independence every time there's even the slightest opportunity to. The job of the SNP political activists is to work on the population of Scotland in places likes this to gradually build an acceptance that there should be another referendum so as soon as there's a real opportunity the populace are accepting of it.

That's why we're seeing this (and it's working), not because they think there's a real chance of another referendum in a year or two, but because they have to make sure it never drops out of peoples minds and gradually voters accept the need for another vote rather than it being taboo for 25 years and the YES campaign having to start from scratch.

Expect years of "We told you so" ranting from the SNP and YES supporters for any imagined slight or bad news whilst they studiously avoid any good news or upturn in the economy (other than to claim that's due to a strong Scottish government despite the evil trolls in Westmimster of course).

Let's face it - it's a year on and they've managed to start the debate again even on a computer forum so their tactics seem to be working. We've already gone from "forget about it for 25 years" to "should we/ shouldn't we, and if so when" in the space of a week.

Now wonder Bio saw his moment and couldn't resist :)
 
why is anyone even bothering speaking to lovelyhead?

he is clearly delusional with a deep seated resentment for the English and those terrible Westminster tyrants.

he even denies Blair was Scottish to suit his own anti English argument.

its a pointless exercise even "debating" with him. he wont see the truth of the folly of independence. even if Scotland won independence and then became the poorest country in Europe that would still be the English / Westminster's fault.
 
The SNP cannot put the subject to bed though. It's so much of their reason for existing they can't just say "ok, lets make a great job of being a strong Scotland as part of the Union and forget the independence thing".

By definition the SNP is set up to lobby for leaving the union, that's not going to change so expect calls for independence every time there's even the slightest opportunity to. The job of the SNP political activists is to work on the population of Scotland in places likes this to gradually build an acceptance that there should be another referendum so as soon as there's a real opportunity the populace are accepting of it.

That's why we're seeing this (and it's working), not because they think there's a real chance of another referendum in a year or two, but because they have to make sure it never drops out of peoples minds and gradually voters accept the need for another vote rather than it being taboo for 25 years and the YES campaign having to start from scratch.

Expect years of "We told you so" ranting from the SNP and YES supporters for any imagined slight or bad news whilst they studiously avoid any good news or upturn in the economy (other than to claim that's due to a strong Scottish government despite the evil trolls in Westmimster of course).

Let's face it - it's a year on and they've managed to start the debate again even on a computer forum so their tactics seem to be working. We've already gone from "forget about it for 25 years" to "should we/ shouldn't we, and if so when" in the space of a week.

Now wonder Bio saw his moment and couldn't resist :)

Agreed. I imagine they'll aim to build resentment against the Tories/austerity and then try and get a referendum after the next general election. They really can't afford to lose two referendums in relatively quick succession.
 
Except, at the moment 100,000's Scots agree with him and I don't think he gives a rat's **** about what somebody in Darlington thinks.

Bit touchy aren't you lol. I must have hit a nerve as you've clearly had a massive sense of humour failure. You must be a Jock. The referendum failed he has lost his leadership in the SNP. He's a joke. Deal with it, deal with reality, suck it up lmao !
 
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Mr Salmond did not lose his leadership, He did the right thing and stepped down, Get your facts right, Sadly the ignorance and facts on this thread are par for the course, Too many keyboard warriors.
 
Mr Salmond did not lose his leadership, He did the right thing and stepped down, Get your facts right, Sadly the ignorance and facts on this thread are par for the course, Too many keyboard warriors.

Semantics m8y. By stepping down he lost his leadership. Stop being pedantic it's dull and uninteresting.
 
Mr Salmond did not lose his leadership, He did the right thing and stepped down, Get your facts right, Sadly the ignorance and facts on this thread are par for the course, Too many keyboard warriors.
He staked his entire political credibility on the fact he believed the majority of Scots wanted to leave the Union and were being somehow repressed by the Irish, Welsh and English. He was proved wrong and had no where to go except resign. Wee Wrecks quest for power continues though, he could never be relied on to do the honourable thing and accept he was wrong. President Salmon and first minister Surgeon of Scotland.. all sounds a bit fishy to me! ;) :)
 
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Bit touchy aren't you lol. I must have hit a nerve as you've clearly had a massive sense of humour failure. You must be a Jock. The referendum failed he has lost his leadership in the SNP. He's a joke. Deal with it, deal with reality, suck it up lmao !

Reading these threads with it's racist undertones does that to a normal person.
FYI, I have stated a while ago on this forum that I voted 'NO' and for the UK.
 
Reading these threads with it's racist undertones does that to a normal person.
FYI, I have stated a while ago on this forum that I voted 'NO' and for the UK.

So what's your point then? You just randomly kicked off at me. What's wrong with you ? Or, what is it I said that you think is wrong with me ? Sounds like you're a worm on a hook to be honest, desperately struggling to wriggle off. :rolleyes:
 
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