Is employer being as naughty as I think?

Find out if companys insurance is just being slow to pay up first or if it will be done once a total cost comes in etc. (ie backpaid)
 
1) Your sister should be finding another job ASAP
2) Your sister should be taking legal advice about not being paid. If she's not being paid, what difference does being marked as a troublemaker make? Even if the building is re-opened, I want to be out of there as quickly as I can
 
dowie said:
so they don't actually know what has happened other than she intended to claim for the wages - you don't know that the employer has done that successfully

either way though they would surely be expected to get paid - talk to citizens advice or a solicitor
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No no. They were told that the wages were being covered. Not that she intended to, that she had and they were being paid.
I've nagged her to go to the c.i.b. Sadly she loves her colleagues and so is loathe to leave even though her boss has been shown to be pretty inept quite a few times.
 
OK but that isn't what you said a few posts up - you referred to something being said 'immediately after the accident'

you're still reliant on what someone else has told you that someone has told them... lots of potential for misunderstanding
 
I'm going to play devils advocate on this one - from the original post it sounds fishy but...

From the sound of things this is a relatively small business? If that is the case she may well be in a position where if she does not have the money coming in she is not in any position to pay your sister her lost wages.

It could be that she is claiming from the insurance for the lost revenue, once this claim has been verified and is successful she would then pay your sister the money she would have earned had she been working.

I'm not sure I actually believe thats the case, but it seems we might be jumping to conclusions here.
 
Do employees of small firms get more flexible payment terms on credit cards and rent? First I've heard of it.

They generally pay lower salaries, have worse benefits, less room for promotion, and apparently now they don't have to pay people on time. I have no sympathy for them, they should be just as capable of planning as a larger organisation.
 
Caged said:
Do employees of small firms get more flexible payment terms on credit cards and rent? First I've heard of it.

They generally pay lower salaries, have worse benefits, less room for promotion, and apparently now they don't have to pay people on time. I have no sympathy for them, they should be just as capable of planning as a larger organisation.
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Sorry, I wasn't saying that it wasn't absolutely **** management of the business, just that they might not be attempting anything illegal.
 
She could complain to ACAS, but it would be sensible to get a better idea as to whether or not the employer is actually doing anything wrong first. It is quite possible that the money for paying the wages simply isn't there until the insurance company pays out.

Get the full details first, then contact ACAS.

EDIT: Here is ACAS's advice on the matter:

Simple steps for employees
•It's always simpler to talk to people directly and informally about a problem.
•Check with your line manager, HR, your finance team or others you think can help, to see if there has been a mistake or misunderstanding that has caused the problem unintentionally.
•Keep a record of relevant events: include dates and times and a description of what happened; plus copies of any relevant paperwork, eg letters, memos, emails, notes of meetings.
•Get advice about your rights from the Acas helpline (0300 123 1100) or Helpline Online.
•If all informal internal procedures have been exhausted, make a formal complaint (follow your employer's procedures - if you have a union representative or other adviser, ask them to help).
•Contact Acas for advice on Mediation, Acas Dispute Resolution and Arbitration . We provide all of these services for individuals and groups of employees (usually through a representative such as a Trade Union).
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Other useful links:

http://www.lawcentres.org.uk/
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/

Hopefully the matter can be resolved quickly.
 
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To be honest sounds as if the wages are going to be paid and have yet to be done so, in which case once the insurance company pays out, she'll get what shes owed.
 
kindai said:
To be honest sounds as if the wages are going to be paid and have yet to be done so, in which case once the insurance company pays out, she'll get what shes owed.
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Her contract is with her employer though, not the insurance company, it is their responsibility to pay their staff, they should be finding the money or even taking out a loan to pay staff.

If she had a car accident & said "Sorry I can't come to work for two months until the insurers have paid out & I've got a new car so I can get to work but I still expect to be paid in full" that would be just as ridiculous a situation as this is.

Either way I'd be jumping ship straight away because if they can't even afford to pay someone for 2 months on an 18 hour contract then they must be up **** creek anyway & she will probably find herself down at the Job Centre in the not too distant future when the business folds.
 
Iamzod said:
Her contract is with her employer though, not the insurance company, it is their responsibility to pay their staff, they should be finding the money or even taking out a loan to pay staff.

If she had a car accident & said "Sorry I can't come to work for two months until the insurers have paid out & I've got a new car so I can get to work but I still expect to be paid in full" that would be just as ridiculous a situation as this is.

Either way I'd be jumping ship straight away because if they can't even afford to pay someone for 2 months on an 18 hour contract then they must be up **** creek anyway & she will probably find herself down at the Job Centre in the not too distant future when the business folds.
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Depends how many staff, what the turnover is, what the margins are, is it a new start up or have they just re-invested and are short on immediate funding.

I imagine banks will run screaming when they hear "we want a loan to pay wages, but we currently have no income".
 
So...an update on this one!

Sister went to the job centre to ask for help as she has no money coming in. They went through her contract with her and there is no clause saying she won't be paid and so they should be paying her.
On top of this it turns out she's actually been going in for a couple of hours a week to a temporary property as the business is still open. She's been receiving monthly paycheques which show she's been working albeit very few hours.
She decided enough was enough and sent her boss a message about it asking why she wasn't being paid...the boss failed to reply but called her straight away and then immediately hung up the call when my sister answered. She then didn't and hasn't picked up any calls or responded to any messages for the last two days. The other partner in the business has since also stopped responding to my sister. They are still replying to and contacting the other girls that work there however.
 
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