Advice on buying a VW Golf. Up to £4k budget

Not really enough to make a diesel worthwhile - you're only saving £500 a year at best and something like a DPF or DMF failing would wipe that out. Plus you're going to be looking at older cars for the same money with a diesel so you'll have more age related issues.

Honda Civic - half a decade newer than the golfs you're looking at, more reliable and better equipped

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201504162648553

Ford Focus - even newer, more reliable and a better drive

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201507085020768

I really can't fathom why people pay so much for golfs - they're an average hatchback like every other hatchback. If you wanted to spend 4k on a 10 year old diesel then you could get a BMW 3 series - same age and mileage as the golfs you posted... Not that I'd reccomend that but it puts the weird VW tax in perspective
 
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Not really enough to make a diesel worthwhile - you're only saving £500 a year at best and something like a DPF or DMF failing would wipe that out. Plus you're going to be looking at older cars for the same money with a diesel so you'll have more age related issues.

Honda Civic - half a decade newer than the golfs you're looking at, more reliable and better equipped

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201504162648553

Ford Focus - even newer, more reliable and a better drive

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201507085020768

I really can't fathom why people pay so much for golfs - they're an average hatchback like every other hatchback. If you wanted to spend 4k on a 10 year old diesel then you could get a BMW 3 series - same age and mileage as the golfs you posted... Not that I'd reccomend that but it puts the weird VW tax in perspective

What? Half a decade newer? Didn't realise a decade is now only 4 years, must have missed the meeting. The first Golf he listed was a 2007, so not 10 years old, and you list a 2009 civic? Not sure there would be many 2007 3 series out there at £4k either.

£4k for a 2007 Golf Diesel seems reasonable to me.

EDIT: I take back the 2007 3 series for £4k statement. There are a couple poverty spec, small engined petrols that could be negotiated to similar money.
 
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The last one he posted was an 05. There are tons of 05 320ds around for between 3 and 4, loads of e46s and even a few low spec e90s (although those golfs aren't exactly high spec!). The BMW wasn't a reccomendation, I mentioned it to illustrate how ludicrously priced golfs seem to be. If you're spending 4k on a car then value for money has to be high on the list of priorities - the cars I posted represent much better value
 
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Wouldn't mind a Focus, but the Mrs drives one so was considering Diesel for longer journeys to visit family on the weekend too.

The thing is, people seem to be getting 200k+ miles out of these Golf TDI 1.9 engines without much issue.

Could the same be said for a petrol Civic or Focus?

Perhaps a Diesel Mondeo a better bet?
 
Look at your total mileage per year, thats why I asked. If the occasional 500 mile trip bumps up your annual mileage to 13k a year then it's still not really enough to warrant buying a diesel. Also, reread what I said about age and other expensive diesel issues.

You see 200k mile cars around because diesels are the right choice for high mileage - the petrol engines would be just as reliable, but people use petrols for doing 10-15k miles a year not 20-30k - that's why you dont see many 200k mile petrols for sale, not because they'll explode after 100k.

A 200k mile TDI will have probably been through at least 2 clutches, which normally means at least one DMF (£800+), probably an EGR or 2 (£500 a time) and no doubt some injection/turbo issues along the way too. A lot of these things start to be needed at the ~90k mile sort of mark - if you're really willing to take that sort of gamble for a few hundred quid a year in fuel then go for it.

There was also a certain 1.9 engine code (BXE?) which seems to be becoming notorious for throwing a conrod and putting a piston through the side of the engine. Not saying any of this is guaranteed, but buying the 1.9 is not a ticket to guaranteed trouble free motoring!

For someone doing 10-15k miles a year who needs a reliable 5 door hatchback, a petrol focus or civic would be ideal. A petrol mondeo would also be worth considering as you'll get more for your money, but as I've explained your mileage doesnt warrant a diesel and isn't worth the risks that a 4k 10 year old one brings
 
Look at your total mileage per year, thats why I asked. If the occasional 500 mile trip bumps up your annual mileage to 13k a year then it's still not really enough to warrant buying a diesel. Also, reread what I said about age and other expensive diesel issues.

You see 200k mile cars around because diesels are the right choice for high mileage - the petrol engines would be just as reliable, but people use petrols for doing 10-15k miles a year not 20-30k - that's why you dont see many 200k mile petrols for sale, not because they'll explode after 100k.

A 200k mile TDI will have probably been through at least 2 clutches, which normally means at least one DMF (£800+), probably an EGR or 2 (£500 a time) and no doubt some injection/turbo issues along the way too. A lot of these things start to be needed at the ~90k mile sort of mark - if you're really willing to take that sort of gamble for a few hundred quid a year in fuel then go for it.

There was also a certain 1.9 engine code (BXE?) which seems to be becoming notorious for throwing a conrod and putting a piston through the side of the engine. Not saying any of this is guaranteed, but buying the 1.9 is not a ticket to guaranteed trouble free motoring!

For someone doing 10-15k miles a year who needs a reliable 5 door hatchback, a petrol focus or civic would be ideal. A petrol mondeo would also be worth considering as you'll get more for your money, but as I've explained your mileage doesnt warrant a diesel and isn't worth the risks that a 4k 10 year old one brings

I think the BXE was found in the later 1.9TDIs, they are a good engine although you can almost guarantee if they haven't already had a clutch replacement, they will need one at some point so you would need to budget for that. I would also avoid the models with a DPF, the 1.9TDi was never designed to have one so has a habit of clogging them up.
 
Look at your total mileage per year, thats why I asked. If the occasional 500 mile trip bumps up your annual mileage to 13k a year then it's still not really enough to warrant buying a diesel. Also, reread what I said about age and other expensive diesel issues.

You see 200k mile cars around because diesels are the right choice for high mileage - the petrol engines would be just as reliable, but people use petrols for doing 10-15k miles a year not 20-30k - that's why you dont see many 200k mile petrols for sale, not because they'll explode after 100k.

A 200k mile TDI will have probably been through at least 2 clutches, which normally means at least one DMF (£800+), probably an EGR or 2 (£500 a time) and no doubt some injection/turbo issues along the way too. A lot of these things start to be needed at the ~90k mile sort of mark - if you're really willing to take that sort of gamble for a few hundred quid a year in fuel then go for it.

There was also a certain 1.9 engine code (BXE?) which seems to be becoming notorious for throwing a conrod and putting a piston through the side of the engine. Not saying any of this is guaranteed, but buying the 1.9 is not a ticket to guaranteed trouble free motoring!

For someone doing 10-15k miles a year who needs a reliable 5 door hatchback, a petrol focus or civic would be ideal. A petrol mondeo would also be worth considering as you'll get more for your money, but as I've explained your mileage doesnt warrant a diesel and isn't worth the risks that a 4k 10 year old one brings

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£800+ for a DMF? As always, Motors exaggerates the cost of replacement parts on diesels to justify petrols.

£220 for a DMF. That's what they cost. Then if you can't fit them yourself, the book time is 4.5 hours to change from a garage. So another couple hundred quid.

EGR valves are less than £70 for a Wahler unit (so one of the best). Can be changed yourself in an hour or so with a couple spanners and a youtube video, or 1 hour labour at a local garage. Miles away from £500 a time.

Granted, a DPF could stand you around £600 plus the fitting. But there may well be nothing wrong with the one in there currently. And if something does go wrong, you can always get it gutted and coded out for a lot less than replacing it.

Never had injector / turbo troubles with any tdi I have ever had, young or old, but I guess it could happen at some point. Turbo around £500 a pop, injector around £350-400 if required. But as I said, never come accross these issues myself, nor know anyone who has (and most people I know drive older diesels).

Turns out that first Golf linked by the OP was actually a 2008 car also, so only 7 years old. Not so bad a deal if you ask me. Sure, it is possible that ALL that will go wrong while you have it, but you'd save the money on the fuel spend in the first year to 18 months (probably somewhere around £500 per year fuel saving on a diesel at your mileage), over driving a petrol. Then once it's all done, you don't have to worry about it again.

It is also worth noting that petrol motors aren't without their downfalls. Clutches are likely to go at around the sort of mileage you'll be looking at, as well as the CAT's (something not required on a diesel). Most other parts cost the same between petrol and diesel models, and will likely go around the same time.
 
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£800+ for a DMF? As always, Motors exaggerates the cost of replacement parts on diesels to justify petrols.

FFS I've seen you make this argument before and it's ridiculous. The OP obviously isnt going to be replacing it himself. You also never just replace the DMF because that would be stupid - you replace the clutch and flywheel - £800 is actually a good price for that work. This isn't an exaggeration - it's just a simple fact from my own experience
 
Sachs clutch kits are around £100-£150. Not really any extra labour charge. You don't know he isn't going to be able to replace it himself. But even so, add on another hours labour, and your only at £250 labour and £370 in parts.

And at around this time / mileage, your just as likely to need a change of clutch on a petrol, which is why I don't usually go into that, as it's generally a similar price, labour wise, and a clutch is around the same price. So it's actually only the cost of the DMF that is the extra cost here, so an extra £220 or so. Something widely ignored by the anti-diesel brigade. I suppose you'd likely change the flywheel at the same time on a petrol, and that would be what? Around £100? So only an extra £150 for doing the same job on a diesel over a petrol?

Get a grip, and actually advise on the actual differences, rather than just scaring people with a "big bill", when the petrol equivalent stands just as much chance of throwing an almost as big a bill.
 
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Sachs clutch kits are around £100-£150. Not really any extra labour charge. You don't know he isn't going to be able to replace it himself. But even so, add on another hours labour, and your only at £250 labour and £370 in parts.

And at around this time / mileage, your just as likely to need a change of clutch on a petrol, which is why I don't usually go into that, as it's generally a similar price, labour wise, and a clutch is around the same price. So it's actually only the cost of the DMF that is the extra cost here, so an extra £220 or so. Something widely ignored by the anti-diesel brigade.

If you can find somewhere to do a DMF and Clutch for £620 you're doing VERY well. Main dealers will charge well into 4 figures for this.

Just to be clear, I'm not anti diesel. I've had several, I'd buy one again. However, pointing out to someone that they *can* have larger bills than an equivalent petrol is not an invalid way of thinking. Yes a petrol is likely to need a clutch at the same mileage, but the same money buys a much lower mileage car in a petrol.

Are you actually suggesting that for 10-15k miles a year with a 4k budget, the diesel is actually the better buy? Or are you just trying to argue silly points for the sake of it?
 
I bought my £1k passat for a 10k per year use profile. I'm not saying it is necessarily the best move for the OP, but he came on here and linked only diesel Golfs for his needs. And you rubbished his suggestions, and offered up a 1 year newer petrol civic, with 10k less on it instead. It's not like he is getting massively more for his money there is it?

No, there is nothing wrong with pointing out potential big bills from a car. But then there are potential big bills to be had from your linked civic too. Any car has the potential for big bills, especially when they approach 10 years or 100k. Not just diesels. It's fine to point out some of these big bills, but to not mention that they might only be slightly more expensive that the bills that can also be expected from a petrol equivalent is a bit underhand IMO. I don't find it silly to give a more accurate description of the potential costs and differences personally.

I'd personally take my chances with the Golf, and the potential ~£500 per year fuel saving.
 
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I bought my £1k passat for a 10k per year use profile. I'm not saying it is necessarily the best move for the OP, but he came on here and linked only diesel Golfs for his needs. And you rubbished his suggestions, and offered up a 1 year newer petrol civic, with 10k less on it instead. It's not like he is getting massively more for his money there is it?

No, there is nothing wrong with pointing out potential big bills from a car. But then there are potential big bills to be had from your linked civic too. Any car has the potential for big bills, especially when they approach 10 years or 100k. Not just diesels. It's fine to point out some of these big bills, but to not mention that they might only be slightly more expensive that the bills that can also be expected from a petrol equivalent is a bit underhand IMO. I don't find it silly to give a more accurate description of the potential costs and differences personally.

I'd personally take my chances with the Golf, and the potential ~£500 per year fuel saving.

Depends on your definition of accutate - I've had DMF failure myself and shopped around, £800 was a good price. Others around here and on other forums have conceded that £800 is the right sort of ballpark, depending on the car. I've never seen anyone say they've actually paid £600 or less - you seem to be suggesting that you think it *should* cost, but I've never seen anyone say they've paid this

Anyway, there are 2 reasons I dont think the OP should buy a 4k golf diesel.

1 - I dont think a diesel is worthwhile for him, this is still opinion but he needs to understand and weight it up
2 - I think the value for money sucks on a golf. They're good cars, but bland and nothing special. Even if you put the diesel thing to one side, the money would still buy a much newer/lower mileage Focus/Civic/Mazda3/Leon/Octavia. The golf isnt any worse than any of those, but I'm not sure it's actually significantly better
 
With the price of Diesel being cheaper now, then whatever way you spin it.... likely to be more economical even for urban use?

Can understand a DPF model isn't good if a fair few short hops are involved for shopping and such.
 
Those Golfs in the OP really do look miserable and spartan. I'd much rather have a Civic. It'll be newer, much better specced, and generally nicer.
 
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