The labour Leader thread...

I might not agree with everything Corbyn says but there's something about him I like - he's not exactly Westminster elite is he? It might just be he actually knows what it's like to be a normal human being, despite representing Islington for so long.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-rides-night-bus-6175223

I don't think this is a stunt either.
I do wonder, how do you as a swing voter (between parties) view the prospect of having somebody like Corbyn front Labour. Would his honest open & direct approach tempt some to return to the traditional left?.

While many may not agree with his policies, he is consistent - he also believes what he says & isn't afraid to give an opinion. Out of all the candidates for Labour leader he's the only one I actually believe holds true the things he says. (I'm not even a Labour voter).

To be fair, it's probably because the average person doesn't have a clue who he is so is easier to take public transport. Outside of the leadership contest I hadn't ever heard of him before. It is refreshing to actually see a real Labour politician run for once instead of the lets pretend Tory lite sell outs.
Pretty much echoes my sentiment. People should be honest to what they actually believe in, at least then we can see what the public actually wants instead of chasing a mythical middle ground.

Correct me if I am wrong but Network Rail only run the infrastructure.

If we are talking about re nationalising the train operators how well do you think borrowing money to fund private business will go down?
Nationalising the operators is fine, that's the profitable bit. At the moment we have a horrendous hybrid system in which we nationalise the unprofitable sections of the rail industry & privatise the pots the gold.
 
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Well - I never thought I'd say this but I've just joined the Labour party!

And donated £10 to Corbyns campaign fund.
 
Jesus Christ, does it not horribly depress people that many in this country chose who they want to lead it by if they take the ****ing bus?
 
Nationalise the railway and energy sector.
We've had them private sector now for a generation. Clearly it's not working. Railway costs are phenomenally high.

So you'd rather have massive taxpayer subsidies funding it instead? Because the government did such a stellar job of managing it before? Standards are so much better than under BR.


Jesus Christ, does it not horribly depress people that many in this country chose who they want to lead it by if they take the ****ing bus?

Not really. If Labour people are deluding themselves that they stand a hope in hell of ever getting Corbyn into No.10 I find it hilarious.
 
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Does Cornyn appeal to the electorate or just those on the left of the Labour party?

England isn't a country that tends to take to people running on a out right socialist ticket.

I for instance look at him and see a man that offers me nothing what so ever.
 
Does Cornyn appeal to the electorate or just those on the left of the Labour party?

Well given that over 60% of voters at the last general election didn't vote for the Conservatives let's see. It'd be nice to have a choice other than Tory and Tory-lite imo.
 
The problem with our rail networks is we do all the unprofitable things (rails, infrastructure, bailouts & subsidising the unpopular routes) & private business enjoys cherry picking all the profitable sections.

Really we should be off-setting the profitable sections against the unprofitable ones. If a nationalised industry runs at a loss, that can be fine - as currently if the entire sector (including the unprofitable ones) was put into private ownership it would be run at a loss.

We essentially have the worst of both worlds.
No, cross subsidizing bad business from good business is exactly the thing that should be avoided, because it ends up hurting those who are already in the worst situation: Poor people living in most expensive areas, where the living costs are already super high compared to their income!

It is much better to run the unprofitable rural business form tax payers pockets instead of taking money from everyone in London area by increasing the ticket price. Reason is actually quite simple and Labour of all parties should understand it.

Increase in ticket price is a regressive Lump-sum tax affecting everyone with the same cost-increase per month, hurting the poor & low income people most. £20 / month hike in monthly tube pass for bankers in City means nothing and since there are only few bankers compared to poor folks working in service industry, rich people end up paying only very small portion of this "tax" / increased cost.

Instead, when you recoup the cost of unprofitable public rail service from income tax, it actually means that only middle-class and well off people pay the increased cost, since low-income & poor are almost completely exempt of income tax. (Oh, and when the rail service doesn't have to subsidize unprofitable business, it probably makes more profit and ends up paying more corporate tax...)

Btw, same thing applies for almost all lump-sump priced (semi)public services. TV license & tuition payments & council tax etc. There are even countless welfare systems built just to fix issue caused by this stupidity of hitting poor people with lump-sum costs.
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33849534

It's going to be carnage whoever wins.

This is a very speculative prediction. If Jeremy Corbyn wins the Labour leadership contest, the Labour party will split, with the "right" half joining the Lib Dems leaving a leftist Labour party as the official opposition this parliament. In 2020, the Lib Dems will become the second largest party in the UK although way short of a majority. Labour will never fully recover, and will only be able to form a government in coalition, which will become increasingly common.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33849534

It's going to be carnage whoever wins.

This is a very speculative prediction. If Jeremy Corbyn wins the Labour leadership contest, the Labour party will split, with the "right" half joining the Lib Dems leaving a leftist Labour party as the official opposition this parliament. In 2020, the Lib Dems will become the second largest party in the UK although way short of a majority. Labour will never fully recover, and will only be able to form a government in coalition, which will become increasingly common.

It's like being given 4 choices for your method of execution... 2 nobodies, the Mid-Staffs Murderer and Ed Balls.

The good news is that any of the 4 will kept Labour unelectable for the next few years.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33849534

It's going to be carnage whoever wins.

This is a very speculative prediction. If Jeremy Corbyn wins the Labour leadership contest, the Labour party will split, with the "right" half joining the Lib Dems leaving a leftist Labour party as the official opposition this parliament. In 2020, the Lib Dems will become the second largest party in the UK although way short of a majority. Labour will never fully recover, and will only be able to form a government in coalition, which will become increasingly common.

I can see some Tory-lite Labour MPs like Liz Kendall and Tristram Hunt jumping ship to the LibDems but no-one will vote for them at the next general election (and let's be honest, good ridance to the lightweight, PR, "say whatever we think the public want" politicians). Owen Jones was the Jezza Vine show at lunch time and was very impressive in his defence of Corbyn. Sheerman talks about Labour being infiltrated by Greens, UKIP, TUSC etc but OJ pointed out that a lot of these people were Labour members in the past and the prospect of Corbyn is bringing them back.
 
I can see some Tory-lite Labour MPs like Liz Kendall and Tristram Hunt jumping ship to the LibDems but no-one will vote for them at the next general election (and let's be honest, good ridance to the lightweight, PR, "say whatever we think the public want" politicians). Owen Jones was the Jezza Vine show at lunch time and was very impressive in his defence of Corbyn. Sheerman talks about Labour being infiltrated by Greens, UKIP, TUSC etc but OJ pointed out that a lot of these people were Labour members in the past and the prospect of Corbyn is bringing them back.

Any split will mean lost votes, and moving to the left will mean those votes are lost from the centre. The only place the Labour party can expect to replace these votes is from the disaffected "fringe". People who backed UKIP, SNP or similar. It's going to require some seriously imaginative policy making to bring them all back under the same umbrella.

There is also void of ministerial grade talent in the Labour at the moment. Although the "lite" group are career politicians, who many people have grown to hate, I'm doubtful any of the remaining members carry the stature to form a coherent shadow cabinet.

There's talk of bringing Ed back as a shadow minister if he wins, or Diane Abbott.
 
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Labour is a party of coalition, part socialist, part social democratic. Since 1994 the socialist part of the party has for the most part kept it's mouth shut and walked the party line due to how unfashionable they had become.

Fast forward to today and it's the social democrats that have moved out of favour within Labour after two massive election defeats so it's no wonder the socialists are clambering for Corbyn and his traditional left wing values. It's time for the social democrats to take a back seat and let the socialist have there way for while.

I would rate Corbyn's chances of becoming PM (should he become leader) at 40% so long as he sticks to principals. Neil Kinnock was a socialist who tried to be a social democrat and a Ed Miliband is a social democrat who tried to be a socialist, the electorate can see through this and people like it. Corbyn will also need the economy to turn south again, if wages rise and unemployment continues to drop it's hard to unelect a government that's putting cash in your pocket each month.
 
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