West Coast USA - Tour Advice

One thing that bothers me, i would love all this driving around the USA with the cranky yanks, but i have never driven a car on the wrong side of the road, is it that hard to grasp, i have been driving for 26 years with a clean licence i just know i would clock up fines for driving bonkers in the us:(
 
At current prices (and my future father in law is paying - its his 60th) Flying into San Fran then out of Vegas is significantly cheaper than a return to LAX on the dates we have selected :)

Because you are booking too far out. I would be confident of cheap LAX flights in May, its not high season.

I guess the flights you have found are the £667 ones with BA (Versus £750 to LAX).

With the withdrawal of Virgin's Little Red services from Edinburgh starting there is unfortunately limiting you quite a bit - I just tried October for which I know there are cheaper flights around just to get an idea of the Edinburgh premium and it's £750 to LAX from Edinburgh but only £487 from LHR...

With this in mind the £667 is not a bad fare for that specific route you have chosen. I still think you miss out by flying home from Vegas rather than driving back through Death Valley, though.
 
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One thing that bothers me, i would love all this driving around the USA with the cranky yanks, but i have never driven a car on the wrong side of the road, is it that hard to grasp, i have been driving for 26 years with a clean licence i just know i would clock up fines for driving bonkers in the us:(

It really isn't difficult. Why would you clock up fines?
 
Driving in the US easy, after being there for 19 days, I'd completely adjusted to the right hand side. I came home with the same worry as I went with thinking "omg, what if I can't remember how to drive in the uk". :p

In terms of driving bonkers, most of the time you're on straight road which even if you're in a fast car, isn't particularly fun to go fast along (120mph doesn't feel massively different to 60mph).
 
I don't have anything interesting to add; just saving a reference to the useful information above as this is very similar to the sort of thing we were planning to do for a honeymoon

It definitely seems to be super tricky deciding where to go (or more accurately, where to leave out!)
 
It definitely seems to be super tricky deciding where to go (or more accurately, where to leave out!)

I don't think it is - on the contrary I think it's one of the easiest trips to plan if its your first time. Do the traditional route - then for your next trip, focus on what you enjoyed best.

You will miss stuff for sure if you go LA > LV > SF > LA but you'll see lots too and more importantly you will get a taste of virtually everything the area has to offer - large cities, small towns, high mountains, desert, stunning coast, forest..

Then once you know what you loved you can be more specific the next time :)
 
Not dis-similar to the first time we visited the States in 1989.

Flew to LA, drove up the coast to SF (overnights in Santa Barbara and Monterey) then on to Yosemite and Grand Canyon.

A few more detailed thoughts...

Definitely agree that unless big cities are your thing, plan to spend as little time as possible in LA. Even the coach shuttle from LAX to Alamo and the drive over to the freeway made us nervous.

SF is a bit better, but we stayed in Walnut Creek (just south of Oakland) which allows you to catch the BART train into the city centre. Then used the Muni Metro to get round and visit locs like Golden Gate Park.

Yosemite is awesome but you do need to book ahead if you want to stay in the park. Snow on Tioga already mentioned, also worth noting that east of the pass if you're driving via Tonopah to the Grand Canyon, there's very little in the way of services or amenities until you get to Tonopah. So don't play chicken with the gas tank and carry some food and pleny of water - the lush terrain of Yosemite rapidly turns into arid desert.

Grand Canyon will be the highlight. If you can, book two nights so you can take a short hike down into the canyon. Both times we went there, walked down to Plateau Point which is around a 12 mile round trip (but takes around 9 hours as the climb out is surprisingly steep). Or for a shorter walk turn back at Indian Gardens. You will earn your steak dinner in the restaurant that night.

If time permits you might want to head out towards Monument Valley.

Other California locs worth doing are Death Valley (again, plenty of gas, food and water), Sequoia National Park and the road down to Mineral King are well worth doing.

On a general note, don't be put off by driving longer distances than you would in the UK. Once outside the cities, barring accidents the freeways and interstates are generally free flowing. Single carriageway roads tend to have passing lanes and shoulders, quite unlike our A Roads here. Even sticking to the speed limits you could easily cover 400 - 500 miles on a "run" day. Our very first trip we made the mistake of having several 150 - 200 mile days and were arriving in our destination just after lunchtime, we could have travelled much further and seen much more.

The biggest downside to driving in the US (apart from getting used to undertaking on four lane freeways!) is fatigue. Many American roads have long dead straight sections especially in the desert, where you can be going for fifteen miles though dead straight terain with heat shimmering, a slight curve through a low range of hills then another 15 mile dead straight. Even the most alert driver might find it hard not to nod off (hint: don't use cruise control). There's also the tendency for speed to creep up to 80 MPH at which point you can guarantee there will be a smokie waiting behind a tumbleweed, to get you!

Whatever you decide enjoy your holiday. It's ten years now since we've been to the States/Canada and really must think about going back.
 
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Because you are booking too far out. I would be confident of cheap LAX flights in May, its not high season.

I guess the flights you have found are the £667 ones with BA (Versus £750 to LAX).

With the withdrawal of Virgin's Little Red services from Edinburgh starting there is unfortunately limiting you quite a bit - I just tried October for which I know there are cheaper flights around just to get an idea of the Edinburgh premium and it's £750 to LAX from Edinburgh but only £487 from LHR...

With this in mind the £667 is not a bad fare for that specific route you have chosen. I still think you miss out by flying home from Vegas rather than driving back through Death Valley, though.

Spot on Fox - coming from Edinburgh is a pain - best we can do booking at the moment is 631.55 through a family friends BA Hotlines account. Realistically we are going to have to miss some stuff out, and bare in mind this is a holiday for 6 people to celebrate a 60th Birthday. My Fiancee and I will likely return in the future to fill in the gaps.
 
One thing that bothers me, i would love all this driving around the USA with the cranky yanks, but i have never driven a car on the wrong side of the road, is it that hard to grasp, i have been driving for 26 years with a clean licence i just know i would clock up fines for driving bonkers in the us:(

my first time driving in USA was at 11pm in LA to our first hotel, it was about 5 miles but was hell, it being dark made it so difficult. it took all of a day to adapt and after that it was so much better than driving over here.
 
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  • I really, really enjoyed these two places. After spending a day or two in SF, heading north to Point Reyes was tranquil bliss. Being able to sit on a deserted beach in CA was desperately needed.

    Also, I thought Zion to be one of the more interesting national parks that we visited. Was beautiful, and tends to be off the schedule for a lot of people doing the West Coast trip, so not quite as busy.
 
Spot on Fox - coming from Edinburgh is a pain - best we can do booking at the moment is 631.55 through a family friends BA Hotlines account. Realistically we are going to have to miss some stuff out, and bare in mind this is a holiday for 6 people to celebrate a 60th Birthday. My Fiancee and I will likely return in the future to fill in the gaps.

£631 isn't terrible.

It's gone as low as £433 from London in the last month which is an exceptionally low price - typically I've considered £500 or less to be a 'good deal' and £650 or more to be a 'bad deal'. But with the added Edinburgh complexity and the typical Vegas and SFO premium £631 isn't the end of the world I guess.
 
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