Massive Explosion in Tianjin, China - Cause Unknown

RoboCod said:
Loving the tin foil hats, they just can't help themselves. You could follow through on a wet fart and it would still be the government to blame in some way.



It's a real phrase, still used today by real people's doing real mw2 type things ;)
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Well it is the Chinese government, known for killing huge swaths of their population...surely none of that has seeped through to today... pfft ;)
 
I don't have a clue what has happened there in all honesty. :confused:

Fire then first blast ok was a chemical reaction blast I can fathom that, but the second blast! :eek:

I think the was secret arms shipment in the containers, because the is no way in this world an explosion like the second blast could happen, either chemically or explosively without man made weapons around. Just my PO! ;)

Very strange and a sad loss of lives! :(

Sad we will never know the true magnitude of the event. :mad:
 
Jokester said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-33945293

Residents within 3km are being evacuated due to traces of sodium cyanide being found.
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Surely too late for a lot of people who've been living in the vicinity of the blast for what? three days now? What other chemicals were floating around in the atmosphere after the blast?

People should be worried because of the health issues of facing the 9/11 first responders :( http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/911-responders-plagued-cancer-asthma-ptsd/story?id=14427512
 
itchy said:
I think the was secret arms shipment in the containers, because the is no way in this world an explosion like the second blast could happen, either chemically or explosively without man made weapons around. Just my PO! ;)
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Go look up the big chemical disasters like Flixborough, Buncefield, Texas City, Toulouse etc. - explosions need a source of ignition, an oxidant and fuel to combust. Chemicals that may be stable at room temperature (in structures or vessels that are strong) can become volatile and unstable at elevated temperatures in addition to having the vessels containing them weaken, so these can suddenly go up once critical conditions have been achieved for combustion.

Why are "man made weapons" needed to cause the explosion in the first place? Watch a few videos of LNG explosions, BLEVEs or ammonium nitrate explosions on YouTube and you'll realise that you don't need TNT to start an explosion. After all, the "man made weapons" of which you speak are just specific chemicals!
 
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itchy said:
Fire then first blast ok was a chemical reaction blast I can fathom that, but the second blast! :eek:

I think the was secret arms shipment in the containers, because the is no way in this world an explosion like the second blast could happen, either chemically or explosively without man made weapons around. Just my PO! ;)
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Why not?

It might surprise you to know that something as unimaginably reactive as Chlorine Triflouride is shipped around the world for (extremely careful) use in industry? A fire around that stuff which caused a leak would result in an unimaginably large fire/detonation with just about anything, including concrete, glass, sand, water, you name it, it'll probably burn it.

There are things used all the time that, in the wrong combination of circumstances, can cause inordinately large amounts of damage. They don't have to be military-grade explosives. In fact, in a lot of cases these chemicals are worse than commercial/military explosive.

The larger explosion reminded me of the PEPCON disaster in the USA when there was an enormous blast of Ammonium Perchlorate (another thing you don't want within 20 miles of you if you can help it...)
 
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itchy said:
I don't have a clue what has happened there in all honesty. :confused:

Fire then first blast ok was a chemical reaction blast I can fathom that, but the second blast! :eek:

I think the was secret arms shipment in the containers, because the is no way in this world an explosion like the second blast could happen, either chemically or explosively without man made weapons around. Just my PO! ;)

Very strange and a sad loss of lives! :(

Sad we will never know the true magnitude of the event. :mad:
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An arms shipment blowing would generally have less flame, more smoke/dust and higher force and in an uncontrolled detonation multiple secondary blasts.

As mentioned above there are substances that burn quite slowly in small quantities but a larger quantity rapidly heating will go boom pretty spectacularly.

I suspect that the only "sinister" angle to this one is that probably health and safety was disregarded by the company/ies involved in the manner and amounts of dangerous chemicals stored.

EDIT: Also as mentioned elsewhere pouring water into a situation like this can often produce a bad outcome with the way some chemicals react to water (unfortunately not something that can easily be assessed on the ground especially if health and safety protocols have been ignored).
 
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I said I don't have a clue just guessing.

If it was chemical then the fist explosion dispersed highly volatile chemical.
Why did it take so long for it to ignite? :confused:

It was along time between explosions, I would have thought it would have been a double flash explosion, as in boom chemical in air then boom again its ignited.

Also seen a picture of a cars engine block melted? 1220F that's some fire. :eek:

We will never know the truth that's for sure.

Tinfoil hat on.

Didn't China devalue the Renminbi just before this happened? May be a little kick up the backside from US? :p
 
Orionaut said:
I am amazed at just how many people seem to have been happy to film this while standing behind glass windows.

I would have been running for cover after the first flash! :eek:
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Haven't you heard? If it's not on their phones to watch, it never happened.
 
itchy said:
I said I don't have a clue just guessing.

If it was chemical then the fist explosion dispersed highly volatile chemical.
Why did it take so long for it to ignite? :confused:

It was along time between explosions, I would have thought it would have been a double flash explosion, as in boom chemical in air then boom again its ignited.

Also seen a picture of a cars engine block melted? 1220F that's some fire. :eek:

We will never know the truth that's for sure.

Tinfoil hat on.

Didn't China devalue the Renminbi just before this happened? May be a little kick up the backside from US? :p
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Check out the widely available videos of the PEPCON disaster. There were several small explosions as various parts of the plant caught fire, some with the equivalent explosive force of 20-40 tonnes of TNT. Then, minutes later, boom, an explosion with a force of somewhere in the region of 1 kiloton of TNT. One of the largest non-nuclear explosions ever.

Chain reactions of explosions do not necessarily have to be seconds or even minutes apart.

Also, you keep referring to "if" it was a chemical. Everything is a chemical, right down to the oxygen you breathe and the water you drink. Explosives are chemicals, they are made from other chemicals and in a great many cases they are very easily made in processes that can occur accidentally. Hydrogen can be made simply by heating up water to a high enough temperature (like, say, during a huge chemical fire...). It also produces oxygen. Hydrogen and oxygen brought together at high temperatures usually isn't a reaction you want to be around.
 
I saw somewhere they think it might have been the water they were using to fight the fire that caused the secondary explosion. Forgotten the product they mentioned but it was the reaction from water the product gave off Acetylene... Not exactly a fantastic compound when trying to fight a fire!
 
DRZ said:
Check out the widely available videos of the PEPCON disaster. There were several small explosions as various parts of the plant caught fire, some with the equivalent explosive force of 20-40 tonnes of TNT. Then, minutes later, boom, an explosion with a force of somewhere in the region of 1 kiloton of TNT. One of the largest non-nuclear explosions ever.

Chain reactions of explosions do not necessarily have to be seconds or even minutes apart.

Also, you keep referring to "if" it was a chemical. Everything is a chemical, right down to the oxygen you breathe and the water you drink. Explosives are chemicals, they are made from other chemicals and in a great many cases they are very easily made in processes that can occur accidentally. Hydrogen can be made simply by heating up water to a high enough temperature (like, say, during a huge chemical fire...). It also produces oxygen. Hydrogen and oxygen brought together at high temperatures usually isn't a reaction you want to be around.
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I seen the Pepcon vid and others, I just don't get the light and intensity of the second blast. :eek:

It looked like a nuclear blast to me, yes I know they all chemical but I dunno not buying a basic chemical blast. Something was there that should not have been there and it went boom.

2 mile radius I believe now they have implemented, that sounds nuclear to me as chemicals would have been dispersed in the air after 3 days and be long gone. Probably into the upper atmosphere due to the ferocity of the explosion thank duck!

Now they just measuring fallout I guess.
 
itchy said:
If that's not nuclear then I don't know what is!

Only two things I seen that can do damage like that is, a nuclear bomb and meteor strike.

That was a serious bomb, far too much matter displacement for a natural chemical reaction.
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lol, if a bunker or underground storage facility blow up it will leave a huge crater because the earth has already been removed, you're effectively removing the building structure from a pre-existing hole not creating a new hole/crater.
 
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