BS, see my previous post.
You clearly have no idea how insurance companies operate either.
DWP lies about sanctions
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BS, see my previous post.
You clearly have no idea how insurance companies operate either.
spent 3 and a half years on jobseekers till i got working again last october, never got sanctioned for being late to a meeting, of course i phoned ahead and explained id be late and was made to wait for a free slot.
from my experience using them a lot of the people who seem to kick off the most are the ones who really do take the mickey with not doing anything to look for work. id always see the same people on my signing day every few weeks making up various excuses about why they havent been looking or why they are late.
the view that its only a few people who are taking the mick with claiming "free money" is well off the mark, id bet its closer to 50/50 as far as people who are genuinely looking for work and those who wouldn't work if you handed them a well paid job.
the job im in now i deal with 16-25 year old homeless, we have 14 in atm and only 2 of them are actually working/in training. the rest are more worried about when they get "paid" as in when their benefits hit their bank accounts. so much so they will go out at midnight to get the money as fast as they can.
but i guess my first hand experience on this isnt relevant to what some people will claim as it its ids out to punish everyone at the jobcentre. and dont forget the jobcentres been a shambles a lot longer than ids has had his hand in it, some of the people working at the dwp will have been there 20+ years, you'd think they would know what they are doing by now.
from my experience using them a lot of the people who seem to kick off the most are the ones who really do take the mickey with not doing anything to look for work. id always see the same people on my signing day every few weeks making up various excuses about why they havent been looking or why they are late.
the view that its only a few people who are taking the mick with claiming "free money" is well off the mark, id bet its closer to 50/50 as far as people who are genuinely looking for work and those who wouldn't work if you handed them a well paid job.
the job im in now i deal with 16-25 year old homeless, we have 14 in atm and only 2 of them are actually working/in training. the rest are more worried about when they get "paid" as in when their benefits hit their bank accounts. so much so they will go out at midnight to get the money as fast as they can.
but i guess my first hand experience on this isnt relevant to what some people will claim as it its ids out to punish everyone at the jobcentre. and dont forget the jobcentres been a shambles a lot longer than ids has had his hand in it, some of the people working at the dwp will have been there 20+ years, you'd think they would know what they are doing by now.
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Why?
If one parent is working and the other isn't, then surely it makes sense for the unemployed person to pick the child up?
I, for example, wouldn't expect my wife to leave work to pick one of our children up - it makes no sense!
not necessarily - depends on how much the other partner earns and how much the sanctions effect you - if the other partner (presumably a contractor) was going to cost more money leaving work for a few hours vs the cost of the sanctions then sure... but then the sanctions obviously don't hurt much in that scenario anyway
I think for others then the fact they'd get sanctioned means they'd probably want to make that meeting
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Is IDS your Dad?
Must be nice to live in your own little bubble.
The problem is you DO have to use universal jobsmatch...if you dont its sanction time. Ive just come off JSA and seriously it's an absolute shambles. I was on it for two weeks before they sent me on a course for cv skills despite them claiming my CV was great the first time I had a meeting...absolutely pointless waste of a week that could have been better spent searching for jobs. For them it's just a ticky box exercise. And even "****" jobs as you put it are not easy to find anymore.
Luckily I managed to land a decent job after two months on the dole and never want to set foot in one of their buildings again. The whole system is a disgrace!
when your convoluted argument/hypothetical situation is flawed and you can't progress it then pull out a random insult right?
True enough but the original statement was said in relation to how easy they sanction you. You said that you don't have to use it, However in relation to the original thread of the conversation you do have to use it otherwise you get sanctioned.
Yes you can use other job sites and such but they demand that you use universal jobsmatch or you get sanctioned!
Its a terrible system that doesn't work and full to the brim with scams and non vetted adverts. I live in newcastle and put in a search radius of 20 miles and it was giving me jobs in york!
EDIT: sorry did not see you had edited in referance to the second line it's not quite that simple either. I missed 1 morning of the CV course because the afternoon before I was offered an interview which I gladly took...went to the dole the next week and they threatened to sanction me because I had a bleeding interview!! IE the whole point of being on jsa. I only got off because I managed to call them on the way to the interview.
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You thought that was an insult?
Besides, you did exactly the same when tarring JSA claimants - I thought that's how we were doing things?
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no you just didn't read properly - the other poster was complaining that the system wasn't very good - I pointed out that you don't just have to use that to get a job
like I said that doesn't imply you don't have to use it at all
I know
so do your real job searching elsewhere, you don't just have to use that system
I'm not saying the job centre isn't full of jobsworths or that it has great facilities - I'm just saying it isn't hard to turn up to a meeting, be polite and go through the motions of job searching on their system
would IDS being your dad be a compliment in your world?
Dont get me wrong, I know what your trying to convey but it's just not that simple anymore. Unfortunately the staff are targeted on sanctions as ridiculous as it sounds.
I was always polite, courteous and tried to be friendly with the staff, turned up on time etc etc. However as mentioned above they threatened to sanction me because I had an interview...It's not quite a case of just playing ball with them anymore when they have targets to hit.
I used to smile at them and be super polite and talk in a really slow sarcastic voice, they're mostly just mindless drones and rarely crack a smile - whether they picked up on the heavy sarcasm or not I don't know but it was entertaining at least.
Given that every time I went there there were some people kicking off, shouting at staff etc..etc.. I'm sure they've got plenty of other candidates for sanctions without having to make up excuses for the friendly person who turns up on time and ticks the various boxes...
Given that every time I went there there were some people kicking off, shouting at staff etc..etc.. I'm sure they've got plenty of other candidates for sanctions without having to make up excuses for the friendly person who turns up on time and ticks the various boxes...
Just my own personal experience i'm afraid. I only saw someone kicking off the one time at my local jobcentre....however I dont know if that's reflective of the location or time of my appointments.
It's more the case that the Tory government with their media assistance use "the minority of scum" cases to portay the entire welfare state as a cancer that needs eradicating and pretty much everyone in England and Wales believes it, the Scottish are intelligent at least we'll be screwed if they leave the union.
I had to go with a friend to the job center the other week, was sat waiting for quite a while and one thing I observed is how similar it was to school on homework day.
Nearly everyone who came in and was speaking to the advisors around me had forgotten something and we're rattling off excuses.
That and the amount of lies and ******** "have you registered for jobsearch?" "Yes I have and been applying"......
"the computer says there's no profile..."
"oh maybe it's my other email adress" *3 emails later* "I guess it must have gone through you know what computers are like I'll register again when I get home" ...
"OK. ..."
Nearly everyone who came in and was speaking to the advisors around me had forgotten something and we're rattling off excuses.
That and the amount of lies and ******** "have you registered for jobsearch?" "Yes I have and been applying"......
"the computer says there's no profile..."
"oh maybe it's my other email adress" *3 emails later* "I guess it must have gone through you know what computers are like I'll register again when I get home" ...
"OK. ..."
