DWP lies about sanctions

Tefal said:
So when you or your staff are in a meeting, and it's taking longer than planned and you notice it's going to over run and cause you to be late with one of your paying customers you just don't phone them? And would expect your staff not to either and just as what happened to his dad lose the money from the customer you failed to make your meeting with?
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Yeah because meetings and interviews are completely the same thing.

If you stepped out of a meeting so you didn't lose the company money you would be praised, if you stepped out of an interview to tell some moron at the job centre that you would be late because you are in an interview, which you would then probably get sanctioned for somehow throwing the interview, then the employer would just mug you off and go with someone who doesn't interrupt the interview to use their phone.

atpbx said:
If he doesnt make an effort why should you!

Thats the spirit, a fast track to success if ever there was one.
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Theres a reason why people don't make any effort at job centre, I've seen people turn up in interview clothes and over the weeks stop shaving and start wearing casual clothes after they realise how they get treated. If the job centre treated people with respect and dignity then maybe people would be more inclined to make an effort.
 
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Munky1080 said:
Tefal - you're using logic and maturity. This is GD; you should really know better.
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Honestly?

In what world would you stepping out of an interview to use your phone be one where you would get the job when there are hundreds of other similarly suitable candidates?

Whether it was because the interview ran over or not it would make it look like you can't organise yourself properly.
 
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You can easily let the Job Centre know that you have an interview that is close to the time your appointment is. Better yet, when I had to sign on, I had the mobile number for the "Job Coach", so it wouldn't have been an issue to fire a quick text over to him.
 
kitch9 said:
I wouldn't want to work for an attention seeking idiot either..... If you have a problem with a candidate wanting to extend common courtesy to someone then you deserve all the "employees" you get.
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Good for you, for me when I've sifted through 100 applicants then shortlisted around 8 to 10 for an interview given them 1 month's notice for the appointment, I have a level of expectation that they will be focused for the hour or two on the job they applied for
 
Munky1080 said:
You can easily let the Job Centre know that you have an interview that is close to the time your appointment is. Better yet, when I had to sign on, I had the mobile number for the "Job Coach", so it wouldn't have been an issue to fire a quick text over to him.
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You can't keep moving the goalposts. The Job Centre knew when the interview was for and it overran by 30 mins because they wanted him to try out all the machines to make sure he was comfortable with them, it would have taken him 10 mins to get from the interview to job centre so he had plenty of time if the interview had ended when it should have.

You sign with different people every time you go, at least at my local job centre. The fact that you got the coach mobile number tells me it's been a while since you last used the JC, appointments are just 5 minutes now which is barely enough time to rattle off the script asking whether you circumstances have changed or if you've done any work in the past two weeks (as if someone who is taking money on the side is going to say yes to), then to check your Universal Jobmatch and to sign and then it's NEXT...

Not sure why I'm even trying to reason with people who have no clue how the system works, it's not like it used to be where you could just walk into a Job Centre, everyone would be happy and friendly and you would just get free money and walk out till the next appointment.
 
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I've been on JSA twice in my life. Once in 2004/5 and again in 2010/11. Even in 2010/11 it was a different world compared to 2004 so god knows how bad it is now if I happened to find myself on it again.
 
LordSplodge said:
Nothing wrong with the Government fabricating stories, nope, nothing at all. In Thomson_NCL's world I guess Government lies are fine, eh?
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with a government fabricating evidence to support their ideology. Complete non-story.

/s
 
In what world do people think it's ok for jobs 'advisors' to have sanction targets, and for government departments to lie about what they are doing? Only in GD world...
 
Uther said:
In what world do people think it's ok for jobs 'advisors' to have sanction targets, and for government departments to lie about what they are doing? Only in GD world...
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In the world where claimants leave their mobile at home put a balaclava on then smash the claimant advisor's face and hands with a hammer having found out how said advisor travels home.

That's a prediction by the way not advice.
 
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The whole interview/ JSA meeting argument is silly.

You can't answer a phone in an interview without it being looked badly upon in most circumstances.

Got an interview? Don't arrange it so close to you JSA meeting. Only time slot? Well phone up JSA in advance to get your meeting moved because you have found an interview (something I imagine the would easily do).

Probably why you are jobless. No organisation or common sense.
 
mmj_uk said:
It's more the case that the Tory government with their media assistance use "the minority of scum" cases to portay the entire welfare state as a cancer that needs eradicating and pretty much everyone in England and Wales believes it, the Scottish are intelligent at least we'll be screwed if they leave the union.
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Yep, after the welfare system they will move onto the NHS.
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
Doesn't matter the drones at the Job Centre don't have logic or reasoning and you will probably be sanctioned for being late.

My father was late to an appointment because an interview overran and couldn't phone until after he came out, 2 week with no money and this is a guy who has never been out of work longer than 6 months total in his whole life.
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it isn't exactly uncommon for an interview to go on for longer than you expect - tis probably better to either arrange it for a different time or tell the job centre in advance and/or arrange to change your appointment with them to a different time

he could probably appeal that sanction too if he can prove he was at an interview
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
Honestly?

In what world would you stepping out of an interview to use your phone be one where you would get the job when there are hundreds of other similarly suitable candidates?

Whether it was because the interview ran over or not it would make it look like you can't organise yourself properly.
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how does it make you look like you couldn't organise yourself properly? Because you didn't postpone the job centre interview? Perhaps - but that is kind of your own fault
 
balky12 said:
Probably why you are jobless. No organisation or common sense.
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That's alright then, we'll just leave those with poor social skills, learning difficulties and below average intelligence on the scrap heap with no means to support themselves.

We're supposed to be HELPING those who find it difficult to hold down a job, who have poor time managent skills, poor communications skills etc - we're supposed to help them out of the rut they've found themselves in - not punish them everytime thier failings creep up on them.

Why not send them on communication courses, english lessons, time mangement courses instead? No, becuase it's easier to portray them as lazy and worthless and withdraw thier JSA and save some hard working tax payer cash instead.

God, it's like a Soylent Green dreamland in here sometimes.
 
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dowie said:
it isn't exactly uncommon for an interview to go on for longer than you expect - tis probably better to either arrange it for a different time or tell the job centre in advance and/or arrange to change your appointment with them to a different time

he could probably appeal that sanction too if he can prove he was at an interview
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You don't change job centre appointments, they are assigned to you. When you ring all they will say is come in late but then your money is delayed because you signed on late and you could get sanctioned.
dowie said:
how does it make you look like you couldn't organise yourself properly? Because you didn't postpone the job centre interview? Perhaps - but that is kind of your own fault
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Are you reading anything I've been saying?

Job Centre appointments are assigned to you based on your national insurance number, you can't change the appointment, and when 300+ people are applying for the same job you can't just say oh I can't make it to the employer they will just go nevermind then and hire someone else.

The last time you signed on was 8 years ago, stop trying to belittle people with your smug answers based on out of date information.
 
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