Tories grant 18 fracking licences - all north of Leicester

Sliver said:
30% of a few billion gallons is like what ? A small lake or large pond ? How does that tiny amount impact climate change and cause droughts ? I think, no, I know, you're trying to connect dots in a picture that doesn't exist. Come back to reality. ;)
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Well if water use was not an issue, why do I keep reading things to the contrary?

Additionally, a September 2014 report by WRI stated that 40 percent of countries with largest shale energy resources face water stress. The report, titled "Global Shale Gas Development: Water Availability & Business Risks," revealed that "that water availability could limit shale resource development on every continent except Antarctica."[30]
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FoxEye said:
Well if water use was not an issue, why do I keep reading things to the contrary?
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Well it's no secret that fresh water is scarce in many countries, but this is directly related to climate and the pressure placed on ground water by those countries.

What you seem to be suggesting is that a relatively small amount of water used in fracking can impact the climate and I'm sorry but before anyone takes that claim remotely seriously, you'd better find some empirical sources to back it up.
 
OK own up, how many people here who are in support of fracking would be quite happy if it happened near their homes?
Do wonders for house prices I suspect...
 
Uther said:
OK own up, how many people here who are in support of fracking would be quite happy if it happened near their homes?
Do wonders for house prices I suspect...
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I wouldn't be happy with a coal/nuclear/gas powerplant being constructed in my back garden either, is that a reason to stop using electricity?

I don't have a problem with fracking, I don't want it done in my back garden, the same can be said for a lot of things. Does that make me a hypocrite? Yes, but then again so is everybody else.
 
Freakbro said:
o...k...



US government says drilling causes earthquakes

Fast forward to 2015 and..



http://uk.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-fracking-causes-earthquakes-2015-4?r=US&IR=T
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You'll find that almost all/all of those events are caused by waste water injection, not fracking.

They are pumping huge amounts of water down disposal wells and it is increasing the pressure in the formations (the companies are injecting into), causing movement along faults and earthquakes.

It's not fracking related.

FoxEye said:
Maybe you can clear something up for me.

Various articles and TV programmes I've seen suggest that fracking actually causes water /loss/. Something I didn't even know was possible.

Eg top result from Google:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/05/fracking-water-america-drought-oil-gas

Apparently, water used for fracking is pumped so deep that it is lost to the water cycles for thousands of years? Hence you can end up causing droughts by pumping all your water miles underground.

What are your thoughts on this? This to me is the most concerning aspect of what I've read/heard.
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Some of the water used during the fracking process is left in the ground (I think about 30% from memory, although it depends on the well). What you'll find is that in actual fact most of the water used in that area is for agriculture and fracking is a single figure percentage of the water used. That said Texas does appear to have a higher percentage due to the sheer number of cracked wells in the state.

Either way the issue is pretty irrelevant in the UK, we are not a semi arid environment and the flowback water will be reused for subsequent fracks.
 
Amp34 said:
How much did that affect Blackpool? To put it in perspective a train going past produces a larger magnitude event at surface than the two Blackpool events.

Then of course there are things like quarrying, digging up roads/building work/trucks going past and the myriad other man made vibrations with larger surface magnitudes than those two events.

There's also a traffic light monitoring system in place now in the UK which means any event over 0.5M means a shutdown of work. To put that into perspective, O&G companies are struggling to get monitoring systems that will actually pick up events of that small size.

See https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...fographic_Traffic-light-system_finaldec13.pdf for more info.

There are also requirements against fracking near faults and a requirement to have 3D seismic over the area you want to frack.
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Trains don't generally cause roof tiles to fall off, the Blackpool earthquakes did. While I appreciate that's not a particularly serious consequence of an earthquake it is annoying if you're the homeowner, and also quite worrying for everyone? Are the earthquakes going to get worse as more fracking takes place?
 
mid_gen said:
Well if we don't invest in nuclear and don't frack it's going to be exciting when Russia turns off the taps!
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Do you honestly believe all the bull**** the government tells us?
Russia has nothing to gain by turning off the supply. Governments however, have a lot to gain by making people believe they will.
 
stopper said:
Do you honestly believe all the bull**** the government tells us?
Russia has nothing to gain by turning off the supply. Governments however, have a lot to gain by making people believe they will.
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Apart from cutting off the main source of energy for much of Europe you mean? Especially the parts it used to own and may want to invade again.
 
scorza said:
Trains don't generally cause roof tiles to fall off, the Blackpool earthquakes did. While I appreciate that's not a particularly serious consequence of an earthquake it is annoying if you're the homeowner, and also quite worrying for everyone? Are the earthquakes going to get worse as more fracking takes place?
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Have you a source for that?

The magnitude of an event is the magnitude of an event, if the roof tiles really did fall off due to those two earthquakes (which were almost sub human sensitivity) then the roof needs to be looked at just in case a truck goes past in future.

There were numerous claims of damage after the events but all (that I know of) were disproved. As an example a crack in the road on the seafront was claimed as damage, but subsequent investigation showed it had been there for months.

For reference see http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/mag_vs_int.php . It gives an idea of how much you would actually feel with these events (one below and one just above 2.0M IIRC)

felt except by a very few under especially favorable conditions.
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The traffic light system is designed to stop any events like this happening again in the UK.

Unfortunately oil companies are seen as cash cows and claimants come out of the woodwork regularly. If it's not immediately obvious that it wasn't related to the oil and gas work companies normally just pay the claimant the couple of thousand to repair it. Any bigger claims are usually investigated and it's usually problem the damage had nothing to do with exploration/development. (It's usually truck movements and seismic operations that have this issue in the UK).
 
Amp34 said:
You'll find that almost all/all of those events are caused by waste water injection, not fracking.

They are pumping huge amounts of water down disposal wells and it is increasing the pressure in the formations (the companies are injecting into), causing movement along faults and earthquakes.

It's not fracking related.
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out of curiosity why do they do that?
 
Amp34 said:
You'll find that almost all/all of those events are caused by waste water injection, not fracking.

They are pumping huge amounts of water down disposal wells and it is increasing the pressure in the formations (the companies are injecting into), causing movement along faults and earthquakes.

It's not fracking related.
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I appreciate waste water injection can come from many industrial processes but since it's the waste water from the Fracking process, then it is related to Fracking in this instance.
 
Smacks of the Government giving their pals and chums in fracking companies a license to print money. Yet another example of corruption.

They should be doing the correct thing and investing in renewables. Short sighted backhander ********.
 
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