Seven dead after Hawker Hunter hits cars

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Glaucus said:
:( utter knee jerk stupidity.

What's the point in life without risk. Especially miniscule risk.
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It would be just to keep people at bay whilst they do full on investigations.

All would depend on the outcome of those I guess on what they plan to do in the long term.
 
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=14&pagetype=65&appid=7&mode=detail&nid=2479

The CAA has announced the following:

• As a precaution, on Saturday 22 August we took steps to ensure no further flights were made by Hawker Hunter aircraft - this temporary restriction remains in place.

• Flying displays over land by vintage jet aircraft will be significantly restricted until further notice. They will be limited to flypasts, which means ‘high energy’ aerobatics will not be permitted.

• The CAA will conduct additional risk assessments on all forthcoming civil air displays to establish if additional measures should be introduced.

• We commenced a full review of civil air display safety yesterday and held an initial meeting this morning.
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the actual wording of the announcement
 
Until further notice, IE when the investigation completes, they will draw an outcome and will decide on any longer term restrictions/lifts on restriction
 
Greebo said:
Not really. We pay £150k per annum jsut to insure 24 hgvs.

Its all about risk and reward.

Liklelihood insurance company has to pay out - maybe once every 60 years

Amount they have to pay out when there is an accident. Millions and millions.

In fact £25k sounds really cheap. 60 years premium would only be £1.5m which wont even make a start with this claim.
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Well I was asking him the question; seeing as he made some 'relative reference' to it. Also if you read my previous post I know it's cheap.

Don't forget to times that by the amount of airshows a year. You are only assuming one air show a year. The premiums of the many pay for the losses of the few ;)

But yes, your on the right lines.

Although the events insurance will probably not respond to this accident. It will be the pilots liability policy that responds.

(Aviation Claims Adjuster)
 
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Housey said:
Here you go, this was 1982....


Different times :D
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I was playing golf at a local course in Bournemouth while the airshow was on this past weekend and a few of the red arrows flew over at a not too dissimilar height to the video you posted, so it does still happen, just not over a built-up area or a big crowd like in your video.

I think it's sensible that they alter the rules for manoeuvres and acrobatics, particularly for older planes. We don't know what caused the crash yet but barring mechanical failure it's much less likely he would have hit the ground in a newer, more agile aircraft. I think a bit of common sense is required, I know crowds want to see exciting displays, but do loops and barrel rolls really need to be performed that near the ground? The crowd aren't going to miss out if planes are performing those sort of moves a bit higher up and it reduces the chances that something like this will happen again.
 
Harlequin said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36gUb2NDhI&app=desktop

a video reportedly showing the take off from Essex on the fateful day

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and a comparison with 1 taking off from AUS in 2005

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHn5zvrD-KY
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Those two are chalk and cheese, it's like the Hunter had its teeth removed for the show.

Who owned this aircraft? And what would the pilot's affiliation with them be and how experienced would he be with this exact craft?

I'm wondering whether it' been restricted at all to preserve the airframe a bit longer and the pilot wasn't aware of it.
 
Scania said:
Massive - but expected - over reaction, the first UK airshow deaths in 63 years, by all means ground the Hunters until the cause is discovered but I think the restriction on aerobatics is going a bit too far.
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I think the response is about right considering we don't know if it was pilot error or mechanical fault at this stage. They haven't banned all aerobatics just vintage jets, so modern military jets and prop/turboprop aircraft can still do aerobatics which covers most of the aircraft normally at an airshow, other than the hunters and gnats I cant really think of other aircraft this might affect as most of the international jet display teams are military teams using current jets which I don't think this affects.
 
Totally reasonable reaction - until the investigation is complete and there is a definitive reason as to why the crash happened - to prevent another 'accident' happening in the immediate future.
 
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