so what? point was it doesn't require the use of any more finite resources
Has the world's economy recovered from the 2008 financial crisis?
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so what? point was it doesn't require the use of any more finite resources
But it still requires the use of some in the first place, that's the point. Ergo you can't have infinite growth as you are always dependent on some element of physical finite resource to enable growth from intangible assets.
nah that doesn't matter, no one is arguing that resources won't get used/reused by humans just that humans can also create things that are intangible and can reuse resources
growth doesn't have to occur in line with resource consumption it can occur at a much greater rate, it could occur if resource consumption becomes stable even and we find ways to recycle everything
likewise it doesn't require constant population growth either
Erm yes it was... I was pointing out that infinite growth is possible with finite resources. That we're not in a 'finite system' economically speaking.
what claim do you think I was defending?
You haven't though, if you recycle stuff, you don't retain the growth that you had previously. You're hoping that what you replace it with will be a more efficient use of the resource, but it certainly won't enable infinite growth.
The bit about infinite growth with finite resources. You've used a lot of words but all your examples want to ignore energy consumption so are completely invalid.
yes it can - reusing resources can produce growth and you can get growth from intangible 'stuff'... you get growth from people producing 'work', people creating 'stuff' - it doesn't require resources to be infinite
You haven't shown a single example where an intangible and hence something that can exist an infinite form, isn't completely decoupled from something tangible and hence finite.
I don't need to and nor have I claimed that, I mean even 'ideas' exist in some physical form within people's brains...
you can comment about 'trolling', make silly goto statements, or post things like the above... but it isn't adding anything
what is the issue with the energy argument?
Pointing it out doesn't make it so. You've yet to explain how you can realise value in something without expending a finite resource.
The energy argument is that you want to ignore that it's required, or assume that it can be converted into more useful forms for free.
yet to explain? You seem to be asking me to explain a claim I've not made.
"no one is arguing that resources won't get used/reused by humans just that humans can also create things that are intangible and can reuse resources"
I've not ignored it though - I made the reply I've already quoted which you've chosen to ignore, again.