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I take the point, man. Honestly, I'd still want to argue with him about his decision.
A friend, religion, and what to do?
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If you can prove that the Bible is BS, then no, that's not selfish at all. In fact if you can prove it beyond all doubt, then you have an obligation to do so. Tell the whole world, not just your friend.
They feel the same way, only in reverse.
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Educate him, it's your duty. Spam his inbox full of dawkins, evolution, astronomy videos.
I'm sick of tip toeing around sensitive religious people and it's repulsive guidelines.
I'm sick of tip toeing around sensitive religious people and it's repulsive guidelines.
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No no no, they are not just as valid because they are wrong.
If someone was building a fire and they were making a mistake, is it wrong not to educate them?
Just because it's religion means it's out of bounds? Screw that, it's time we should get militant about insulting religion.
JWs are not a cult. They are not crazy either. I have several family members who are "wittos" and they are simply Christians who take the Bible very, very seriously.
I have more respect for the Witnesses who don't try to water down what their holy book says than the churches, who say that it needs to be "reinterpreted" for modern life.
Either you believe it's the word of God or you don't. At least the wittos have picked a side and stick to it. The churches are like the current Labour party. Don't know who they are, but desperate to be popular.
Wittos don't care about being popular, but they know 100% who they are and believe 100% everything that's in the Bible.
Seriously, there's no need to be afraid of JWs. They aren't in any way, shape or form like Scientology or any such like.
While I agree with you that he is almost certainly wrong it shows a closed mind to refuse to accept there may be an alternative approach to your own opinion.
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I would accept an alternative approach with ease as long as it was credible.
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Nothing wrong being critical of viewpoints. Scientists are always being critical and that is what makes progress.
How can you improve, learn if you cannot question and be critical of your beliefs.
I just don't see the point generally. I know that neither of us would change our point of view based on a critical discussion about it. I think people should be free to believe what they want to, as long as they don't hurt anybody using those beliefs as the reason(terrorists etc).
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Sure you can believe what you want. Lets try something and have some fun.
Sooooo...where do you think humans originate from?
I believe the universe was originally created by god personally. I do however believe that we've evolved from the animals that existed before us. So basically I believe god started the ball rolling then nature carried it on. I'm well aware that this probably isn't what you/many others believe, and that's cool with me
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I believe the universe was originally created by god personally. I do however believe that we've evolved from the animals that existed before us. So basically I believe god started the ball rolling then nature carried it on. I'm well aware that this probably isn't what you/many others believe, and that's cool with me
So God creates the Universe, takes his time and 4 billion years to go from bacteria....fish......................all the way to Humans.
God until this point doesn't decide to intervene and instil his wisdom until specifically at the point in the timeline when Homo Sapiens are wandering, not the many forms of humans before this.
Also special planet Earth. Out of the billions of stars in our one galaxy and hundreds of billions of galaxies, he delivers his message to us.
Your also beating the odds. Out of the 1000 ancient religions you picked Christianity? Maybe because that was what you were brought up around? Or were you just lucky that you were born in the country that happens to have the correct religion.
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I would give him an atomic sit up, help him see sense. Let him brush his teeth afterwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrTrYkgNk6Y
Seriously, he should expect ridicule and people to challenge his view. Plus the sit up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrTrYkgNk6Y
Seriously, he should expect ridicule and people to challenge his view. Plus the sit up.
matt_fsr;28483837) said:Trouble is, with me feeling strongly against religion, I'm feeling like I should try and get him out of this situation - but is that being selfish? I have a feeling that maybe in a few years, or 5, or 10, whatever... he may turn round and say "why didn't you tell me it was all BS?" - then I'd feel terrible for not having spoken up before.
Is that just me being selfish though? Am I best off just leaving him to it, as it's his own life and choices?
(Borderline SC topic I know, but SC is too quiet these days)
So you're annoyed if religious people push their views on you but you feel you should push your views on them?
Your reasoning is the same as many religious people's "well I don't want my friend to burn in hell etc so I should try to save them"
He's religious deal with it.
Simple question that always gets the same answer, I wonder some folks here will answer the same way. If god is all seeing and all mighty, then why do innocent people suffer, why do children get abused by adults, why do schoolgirls in certain parts of the world get killed for wanting to go to school? Why are animals abused? Why do women in Eastern Asian countries have acid thrown in their faces? All of the inhuman things that humans do to other living beings is total proof that if there once was a god, there isn't one any more, either he's given up on humans or he never existed in the first place.
There simply isn't any other explanation, and will often result in a straw man response by opposing views.
I'm all for an open discussion, and indeed it should be discussed, and it's not going against any religion to question it either, because everything is under god's design is it not? Our ability to question what's around us, or is that something that's evolved over time too.
Remember, historically humans have always worshipped whatever they don't understand. This is why sun gods "existed", the gods of the seas, the moon and every other god from an event of nature.
I think it's fine that people believe whatever they want, if it makes their (our!) lives easier to manage then nobody has the right to say otherwise. It's when people get into illogical arguments over an opposing view and attempt to push their views on others, that I begin to feel there is a problem.
There simply isn't any other explanation, and will often result in a straw man response by opposing views.
I'm all for an open discussion, and indeed it should be discussed, and it's not going against any religion to question it either, because everything is under god's design is it not? Our ability to question what's around us, or is that something that's evolved over time too.
Remember, historically humans have always worshipped whatever they don't understand. This is why sun gods "existed", the gods of the seas, the moon and every other god from an event of nature.
I think it's fine that people believe whatever they want, if it makes their (our!) lives easier to manage then nobody has the right to say otherwise. It's when people get into illogical arguments over an opposing view and attempt to push their views on others, that I begin to feel there is a problem.
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If you're an eternal being why would you be in any rush?
I spent time reading/listening about it and decided that a lot of it was close to what I believed anyway. I have no idea if there's life on other planets or if they believe in God. I'm not pretending to have all the answers, such as "Why didn't Homo Sapiens read the bible". I can't really be expected to know those things as I wasn't around when they were, nor have I travelled into deep space. I just believe what I believe, not much else to it really.