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most crime related deaths in the US are in black / hispanic areas & gang related shootings.

Personally, after 11yrs of living here.. I've never ever seen or known any gun crime commited other than what I've seen on the news. Its not like people wander around shooting each other... Most people i know, have a gun...
 
dowie said:
actually overall it is anyway, including murders


tis just higher for everything else compared to the US, but also rather high for murders compared with other european countries
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I always thought the main difference betwen US and UK stats was what crime counts as a violent crime etc in each country, as they differ wildly.
 
squerble said:
He's talking about violence. Presumably things like violent crime, domestic abuse and such. Removing murders by firearm may show that the UK is more violent than the US. Just another way of manipulating statistics.
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There is a great site that explains the myth that the UK is "more violent" than the US here.....

https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/

tl;dr - Violent Crimes are measured differently in the UK. We include things from spitting and pushing up to murder whereas in the US only murder, rape, aggravated burglary and assault are classed as 'violent crimes'.
 
dowie said:
that probably is a factor, though the differences do seem to be rather large
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http://blog.skepticallibertarian.co...e-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/

Due to fundamental differences in how crime is recorded and categorized, it’s impossible to compute exactly what the British violent crime rate would be if it were calculated the way the FBI does it, but if we must compare the two, my best estimate‡ would be something like 776 violent crimes per 100,000 people. While this is still substantially higher than the rate in the United States, it’s nowhere near the 2,034 cited by Swann and the Mail.
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Still loads though :p
 
Dunks said:
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.co...e-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/

Still loads though :p
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The site I posted makes it a lot closer (their methodology is there too)...

While it becomes clear that certain types of offenses are marginally higher in the UK than in the US (robbery and knife crime being more likely in the UK by an order of 1.1x and 1.27x respectively) a number of other, more serious offenses, are both marginally and substantially higher in the US. Rape of a female is 1.02x more likely in the US, while theft of a vehicle is 1.29x more likely. More disturbingly, burglary is significantly higher at 1.52x more likely to occur in the US. However, it is at the considerably more, well, violent crimes that America really supersedes England and Wales into its own class. In the United States, you are 6.9x more likely to be the victim of aggravated assault resulting in serious injury than in the UK. You are 4.03x more likely to be murdered than in the UK. And more staggeringly (though not surprising) you are 35.2x more likely to be shot dead in the Unites States than in the UK. Before anybody asks, no, these do not take into account justifiable homicide and other “acceptable shootings”, nor do murders for that matter:
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For those saying gun control doesn't work, just look at Australia on how it does. Yes if someone wants it bad enough they can get a gun there, or hear. But it stops a lot as you don't instantly have it to hand.

However we've gone to far.
 
RoboCod said:
6.7 of which is accounted for by suicide.
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I never said it wasn't. Likewise 0.17 of the UK's 0.26 figure is suicide if you're only interested in murders.

But I don't see why you should only be interested in murder if you're looking at how gun culture affects the lives of your citizens. The family grieve just as much if the person shot himself instead of being shot by someone else.

Of course someone who is determined to kill themselves can do so without a gun but I'd be surprised if tight gun controls don't lower the successful suicide rate. After all, someone with a gun in their house can at any moment decide to pull and trigger and end their life with no pain and straight away. Someone taking an overdose is more likely to be found and saved and other methods usually involve some form of severe, albeit short lived, pain which is always going to put a small number of people off who it wouldn't have if you gave them the option of shooting themselves.
 
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