I remember the Tunisia incident and you saw on the BBC One news that looked like half of the woman's arm was missing from so much blood. The worst part with the broadcast news I've noticed, very few say/warn about distressing images anymore. I see it a lot for Newsday and such.
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I remember the Tunisia incident and you saw on the BBC One news that looked like half of the woman's arm was missing from so much blood. The worst part with the broadcast news I've noticed, very few say/warn about distressing images anymore. I see it a lot for Newsday and such.
There's a big difference, but you need to have some base level of reasoning to see it.
What narrative does showing the actual impact of that plane crash write? does it flesh out anything at all, or is it just titillation?
And what narrative does these images of the poor dead boy create? I'd suggest it's one of empathy and human understanding in a debate which has been roundly de-humanised to the extent that people call for the shooting of boat-loads of migrants, or shrug at 80 people suffocated in a refrigerator lorry.
Maybe try to understand.
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Duh. ISIS came well after Iraq. ISIS is one of the groups that grew out of AL Q and other fundamentalist groups.
I never said they were JUST down to US/UK militarism, I said they have created most of them. You appear to have a very blinkered view of US/UK actions.
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A truly humanitarian crisis in Rwanda and what did they do - zero - no gain for them so screw the people. Sierra Leone action was to protect UK mining company interests.
The EU is merely implementing international law. Don't blame the EU for this, especially when the UK government is unwilling to give financial assistance to border countries like Greece.
It's not mainsteam media he's being played by - it's ISIS and their very smart media strategy. They commit these atrocities on camera because of the coverage and reaction it creates.
And they succeed in bringing low-functioning adults down to their level by reducing their sensitivity to such, and their empathy and humanity for those suffering.
If you sit watching videos of people being burned alive, having their hands cut off, or thrown off buildings, and you find yourself shrugging at that and pictures of dead toddlers washed up on the beach, then you really need to take a look at what you're doing to yourself, and how similar you become in attitude (if not action) to those who commit these terrible acts. You let them win by taking your humanity.
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Unfortunately journalists will stoop that low that they will ask for a staged photo. Look 1000s of migrants have died this year alone.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...iterranean-in-2015-says-monitoring-group.html
It is not necessary to run a story in the media about one child to try and gain public support, they know there are 1000s dying already. But that is how the media works and why the photo made it the media.
The ones before that where he was being collected from a boat was not as heart breaking as being face down in the sand or they would have used those ones.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...iterranean-in-2015-says-monitoring-group.html
It is not necessary to run a story in the media about one child to try and gain public support, they know there are 1000s dying already. But that is how the media works and why the photo made it the media.
The ones before that where he was being collected from a boat was not as heart breaking as being face down in the sand or they would have used those ones.
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I was on about what you see on the news, I don't go searching gore videos on the internet..
You never observe all these things from the media and think what double standards they have? I was never implying an air show crash was "titillation" that you seem to think.
One thing the media are great at is conditioning people and the masses don't know it. I remember once any of the main news broadcasts would never have shown scenes with blood let alone missing limbs. Then slowly over time they started heavily blurring the scenes. Now we have it in full display.
Look at even the Lee Rigby death...
The whole situation seems completely out of control. The policies of the EU have tempted these migrants/refugees, and I don't blame them for trying to come to the EU with what can be had.
Helping a fixed smaller number may be possible but we are talking about a massive exodus of millions of people from the Middle East and Africa, with no sign of an end. I personally think instead of letting these people filter across the EU the better solution would be to run in Turkey and other land arrival countries well put together and run refugee camps and not allow the people there to leave. They should be looked after, but once the situation in their country improves they should go back. To deter those arriving via boats and possibly dying on the way, the major departure locations and coast line should be patrolled and any boat found with migrants/ refugees should be towed back. If they try again, tow them back again. Those that do slip through should be sent to the refugee camp.
No free roaming of the EU should be allowed. These people come from very different upbringings and life experiences with war etc making up large parts of it. You can't expect them to suddenly change and fit into our way of life.
Helping a fixed smaller number may be possible but we are talking about a massive exodus of millions of people from the Middle East and Africa, with no sign of an end. I personally think instead of letting these people filter across the EU the better solution would be to run in Turkey and other land arrival countries well put together and run refugee camps and not allow the people there to leave. They should be looked after, but once the situation in their country improves they should go back. To deter those arriving via boats and possibly dying on the way, the major departure locations and coast line should be patrolled and any boat found with migrants/ refugees should be towed back. If they try again, tow them back again. Those that do slip through should be sent to the refugee camp.
No free roaming of the EU should be allowed. These people come from very different upbringings and life experiences with war etc making up large parts of it. You can't expect them to suddenly change and fit into our way of life.
I was on about what you see on the news, I don't go searching gore videos on the internet..
perhaps you were, but you were responding to my post in which the "media" I was referring was specifically CREATIVE!11's ISIS gore-porn - so I continued talking about that.
Sorry, original post probably needed to be more blunt.
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Yes, Libya had free education and a free health service and was bringing water from an aquifer in the desert to costal towns. The rule of Gadaffi was not the greatest but there are a lot of places far worse - Libya after we destroyed their infrastructure etc. We created 'hell on earth' for them.
So our planes were dropping sweets and good luck cards?
There are lots of leaders in the world who are 'not nice'. So our solution is to bomb them even further back then? Simplistic view.
No it isn't - they're passing the migrant problem on because they don't want to deal with it themselves. Under international law asylum seekers are supposed to claim asylum in the first safe port they arrive in - that just isn't happening and instead certain countries like France are issuing free rail travel tickets as long as the migrant says they don't want to stay in France.
The response has just been utterly chaotic - one day the authorities of Hungary are herding migrants on the next train to Austria, the day after they're blocking access to Budapest's main rail station. It's the same in Greece, Italy, Macedonia and everywhere else barring Germany and Sweden who are properly being mugged off.
Angela Merkel wants to talk about everyone taking their fair share - fine, if I were PM I'd be prepared to talk about that, but first the EU needs to get its act together and impose law and order on the situation. Without that you can't have a quota system. This is the EU's problem where they implemented Schengen - the British government at the time told them this was a likely consequence, but they didn't listen.
You weren't implying it was titillation. But I actually was. Showing it would just have been to sate people's morbid curiosity, it doesn't add to the narrative at all.
The dead boy on the beach very much adds to the narrative. And it's deeply affecting.
There may well be other gory news stories in which the content is mere titillation. The recent shooting of news reporters on a live broadcast, for example. But I strongly disagree with the implication that the unshown footage Shoreham impact is a hypocracy in light of the pictures of this drowned boy.
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What part of
do you not understand?
I never said there will be no refugees, I said our actions have made the situation far worse. Or does that not fit into your blinkered view of the world?
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We often are the cause. Iran? The US and UK brought in the Shah as the democratically elected Govt. was wanting to nationalise its own oil. The Shah was overthrown by the people and you now have a cleric run country. Are the Libyans better off now than under Gadaffi? I don't think so.
Saddam, once the darling of the US asks permission of the US envoy before starting a war against Kuwait and is then attacked itself. All that shows is Western duplicity.
Sorry what are you waffling on about?
Just because there are worse places in the world doesn't mean Libya was nice. Would you have raised a family there? Inb4 the obligatory 'yes' to justify your views. Was it nicer than neighbouring countries? Yes. Hardly a comparison.
As for the rest of your 'it's all the west fault' well... No words. Feel free to go over there and apologise on our behalf. During the flight perhaps pick up a book and educate yourself.
What's that sound? Oh yeah it's the sound of desperate back-tracking. The vast majority of migrants are supposedly from Syria - that would be the Syria where no intervention has taken place. The next largest group of migrants are from Eritrea - again no intervention. This was always destined to happen as soon as the EU implemented the Schengen agreement - there's always war and poverty, there always will be while these countries remain morally and financially corrupt. On that note I heard Pakistan today declared an informal ceasefire so that the Taliban could meet in peace and select a new leader. But of course, according to the wit and wisdom of do_ron_ron, it's all our fault isn't it?
Come on mate, Libya and Iraq are significantly worse places since their respective governments were overthrown.
Just writing off foreign countries as ****holes is pretty arrogant. "nicer than neighboring countries? Hardly a comparison". Strewth. No problem if we **** it up some more then.
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It is a fair point, The west had a lot of propaganda regarding Assad. In real terms he was no more or less a dictator than many other leaders in the world. Like the arab states for example.
I listened to a speech by Assad a number of years ago, it was about 40 mins long. He seemed relatively reasonable, secular and so on. He was no where near as crazy as the middle eastern governments in my opinion. But then if you are muslim in syria and your dictator is banning the veil at universities, i can imagine how that could led to a protests and unrest.
I listened to a speech by Assad a number of years ago, it was about 40 mins long. He seemed relatively reasonable, secular and so on. He was no where near as crazy as the middle eastern governments in my opinion. But then if you are muslim in syria and your dictator is banning the veil at universities, i can imagine how that could led to a protests and unrest.
I haven't commented in this thread but you sir need help. If that was your first thought you are the most heartless individual I have seen on these forums. You should be ashamed.
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