I saw that picture but I have no idea what the UK has to do with it, are we now responsible for the entire world?
The EU Migrant Crisis
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I saw that picture but I have no idea what the UK has to do with it, are we now responsible for the entire world?
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Yep.
Seems so to some people, what about the children dying all over the world every day in poverty?
Why don't we send a couple of Hercules over to Syria, pick up women and children only and then let them have sanctuary here for a while. The able bodied men can stay and fight for / rebuild their country and then the women and children can go back.
It sickens me looking at all these young men causing trouble/rioting/breaking into things and generally being knobs because they seem to think they have a right to a cushy life in the UK. Well, they don't.
It's like that scene near the end of Titanic, except no one's keeping order about who gets on the lifeboats.
It sickens me looking at all these young men causing trouble/rioting/breaking into things and generally being knobs because they seem to think they have a right to a cushy life in the UK. Well, they don't.
It's like that scene near the end of Titanic, except no one's keeping order about who gets on the lifeboats.
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It's called humanity, we share the planet with 6 billion others so yes we should be considering the treatment and welfare of others.
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Wouldn't letting more people into the UK very so far away from where the problem has started just encourage more people to take the risky journey? We should be helping out on their own turf.
And we in the UK share this island with 70 million other people. Who considers the treatment and welfare of those folks?
This, basically... if we are to do something.
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Exactly.
Stop foreign aid, pool the money with other countries and help 'fix' their homelands.
In an ideal utopian world yes but this isn't that world. This is a commercial driven ****ard-ised version of capitalism that is called predatory capitalism, that runs the show on this planet now. Where every person is there to be fleeced and wringed for as much money as you can get out of them. Long gone are the days when empathy and compassion had a place. Thanks to mobile phones and people electronically communicating, humans have lost the will to look someone in the eye and sort things out. Far easier to send an emotionless electronic text than deal with someone face to face. This has led to a sense of "de-humanising" for the younger generation.
You can't fix religion though. Most, not all, but most of the trouble is religion based.
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Whilst I agree, I do think that if you can get most other things in line with modern, western society, maybe there is a chance that things will improve in that respect.
the dead child is there because people are trying to reach europe - letting more people into the UK isn't going to stop that sort of thing it will only mean more dead children making a dangerous journey
taking in a few thousand more refugees is not doing much in the grand scheme of things, it is also very inefficient. The cost of housing people in Europe is very relatively high - European countries would be better off providing more funds for refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey - though that still is only treating the symptoms
the real issue is the civil war raging in the country and unless certain western governments have the balls to step up and intervene seriously then that is potentially just going to drag on
yup
they should be able to find refuge in neighbouring countries and the EU, US should provide funding for that - tis much more efficient
if the EU stopped granting asylum to Syrians and took them to properly established refugee camps in neighbouring countries then you'd massively reduce the numbers of people dying while trying to reach the EU - you'd also be able to help people much more efficiently... cost of housing one refugee in a B&B in the UK would pay for a few dozen in a refugee camp in a neighbouring country
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Bangladesh is a Muslim country so would be exempt. Namibia, Botswana migrants would be far better than Romanian. The important point is that it would not be open it would be based on multitude of factors like the aus system. I would return pretty much to how it was before the eu. Where we have agreements with most countries but prioritise the English speaking commonwealth. I would not be allowing somalians in or Libyans, out of all refugees country Syrians would be most likely to get in if I had my way. Those people have had economic sanctions and no choice but to flee. I wouldn't be allowing young men in though and certainly not groups of 100s of young men fresh off the front lines of war. Sticking them all in a warehouse and hoping for the best is a recipe for disaster.
It was so sad to see the young boy washed up on the beach in Turkey. I know we can't just let everyone into the EU without taking a big hit economically and exposing our country to more threats, but look at it from their perspective. If my country was being bombed into the stone age, I would want to escape with my family to somewhere safe. 
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It was so sad to see the young boy washed up on the beach in Turkey. I know we can't just let everyone into the EU without taking a big hit economically and exposing our country to more threats, but look at it from their perspective. If my country was being bombed into the stone age, I would want to escape with my family to somewhere safe.
What people don't consider is just how bad things have to get to compel people to leave their family, friends, home, and possessions, and embark on a potentially deadly journey to another country about which they know nothing.
I try to think how bad things would have to get to force me to do that and I can't actually put myself mentally in that position.
I agree that we can't house all of them in the UK but we can take some, and so can other countries in Europe. The long term fix though is to repair the issues in the middle east so that the compulsion to flee is no longer there. How we do this though is not something I have the answers to.
However, we can't ignore the plight of those who are already here. I have started donating a sizeable portion of my disposable income to Medicenes Sans Frontiers in the hope that it will at least enable some good to be done.
Sad though it may be, one dead child does not mean we should suddenly adopt an open door to everyone who wants to come here. I actually had to switch off the BBC Breakfast News this morning with their dramatic far from impartial headline "Britain needs to do more" which bordered on opinion, not factual reporting. Europe and the UK cannot accommodate a large percentage of the population of North Africa and the Middle East suddenly deciding to move here and nor should we have to. There should be consideration for genuine asylum seekers but the economic illegal migrants need to be turned back or sent back at the earliest opportunity. Ideally we need to prevent the ships leaving in the first place or if that is not acceptable, any ship which lands in the west having been involved in illegal movement should be seized and scuttled, not allowed to go back for a further trip.
This is not racism or lack of compassion, it is practical reality. Hundreds of children die all over the world every day for all sorts of reasons. Doesn't mean we should invite them to come to Britain.
This is not racism or lack of compassion, it is practical reality. Hundreds of children die all over the world every day for all sorts of reasons. Doesn't mean we should invite them to come to Britain.
Thinking out loud here... these immigrants. Clearly they are the fit, abled, driven, richer, entrepreneurial types...? At least compared to there brethren?
These are the people that are needed in their respective countries to bring about change.
Leaving their countries surely just makes them even worse? Leaving behind the sick, elderly, those incapable of making change.
Making it easier for the scum.
These are the people that are needed in their respective countries to bring about change.
Leaving their countries surely just makes them even worse? Leaving behind the sick, elderly, those incapable of making change.
Making it easier for the scum.
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