The EU Migrant Crisis
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As much as I hate Cameron I agree, this is the right move.
What about refugees?
Depends if any show up, at the moment all we have is migrants.
How many are refugees? If you reach safety (Turkey) and cross the sea, you're no longer a refugee, but an economic migrant.
Same applies to them as well though, it won't go away until the problems in their homelands are solved.
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I hope he doesn't cave in , Cameron
No-one commenting on the on-going situation in Hungary?
Well done to the Hungarian leader trying to follow procedure and common sense by processing these asylum seekers properly.
Like many have said, if they are fleeing a war torn Country, why won't they agree to get processed properly now they have landed in a safe area?
Well done to the Hungarian leader trying to follow procedure and common sense by processing these asylum seekers properly.
Like many have said, if they are fleeing a war torn Country, why won't they agree to get processed properly now they have landed in a safe area?
no their parents did.
you can't hold us responsible for that
ask the bbc they have a nice propaganda piece following some Syrian bird because shes young, female and fairly attractive.
they talk how she had to evade the police rofl.... they don't want them processed in those countries there is no police threat.
then the ordeal she had getting across europe , when in reality they get free train tickets
and since sweden ae taking in Syrians she had nothing to worry about anyway
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Because they're economic migrants who don't want to be put in refugee camps, they want more.
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Refugees don't have to be on our doorstep for us to accept them - refugees can apply for asylum in a country other than thier current country - i.e. someone currently in Greece or Turkey can apply for asylum in the UK.
That's what was happening with the family of the little boy (they were applying for asylum in Canada as they had relatives there) but the process broke down so they decided to move onto Greece.
We need to ensure the above process works and doesn't leave the refugees in limbo and then accept our fair share (which isn't zero btw).
When we refuse 50% of asylum applications but 28% of those are subsequently accepted on appeal, that suggests there is something wrong with the initial screening - we need to fix that.
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incorrect
The UN says a Refugee is someone who is
""owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to, or owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country."
Crossing a sea or being in a safe country has no impact on them being labled a migrant instead of a refuguee
fear they might have to get jobs a lot like our job seekers then, they are persecuted as well because they belong to a particular social group.
they are people too!
how much is their fair share?
oh yes they come over here because they speak english, non of them speak a language from the middle east or africa so it makes perfect sense.
why do we waste time with translators when they all speak english?
they are people too!
how many arab nations are not currently at war? you act like the whole middle east and africa is on fire
how much is their fair share?
oh yes they come over here because they speak english, non of them speak a language from the middle east or africa so it makes perfect sense.
why do we waste time with translators when they all speak english?
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but its a requirement of the Geneva convention that they only enter a country illegally from an unsafe one.
ie cross from Syria to turkey illegally = ok if you turn yourself into the turks they ant treat you different
cross from France to the uk illegally = no you can be treated differently because you were not leaving an unsafe country
We should be assisting Hungary etc. really. They are struggling to cope simply because people don't want to be in a Hungarian refugee camp - they want permanent residence in a wealthier nation.
I do agree with many here in that permanent residence (a house, a job, eventual citizenship) shouldn't be on the cards. There's just too many people heading this way. There has to be a balance - a happy medium between trying to integrate millions of people in to Europe and turning a blind eye.
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This means i qualify as a refugee and my oppressor is the british government. I claim asylum in Australia or US, thanks.
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95% of Arab nations are run by corrupt royal families and are complete cess pits - I don't know why you'd want to leave Syria and go to the UAE or Bahrain for instance - that would make no sense - out of the frying pan and into the fire.
The key part is in bold; the countries they are entering do offer this.
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I'll sign your papers if it gets you out of the country.
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