Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

Tephnos · 3 Sep 2015 at 15:48

JOSH86 said:
I am begining to think too much Iron Bru has been consumed.

That + troll.

Tefal · 3 Sep 2015 at 15:52

Dis86 said:
Was every scot polled?

yeah they said no.

Tefal · 3 Sep 2015 at 15:52

Rab C Nesquik said:
Nah pal. It shows that if you removed undecided voters 55%

awesome so if we remove sections of the vote we can change the figures?

if we remove yes voters and undecided its 100% no

statistics are awesome

lovelyhead · 3 Sep 2015 at 15:56

Tefal said:
awesome so if we remove sections of the vote we can change the figures?

if we remove yes voters and undecided its 100% no

statistics are awesome

Even if you don't remove undecided voters Yes polled 53%!!! versus NO's 44%.

Overwhelming victory!!!

Tefal said:
yeah they said no.

Seems that after cruel tory austerity, EVEL, attacks on disabled, trident renewal, New Labour and media attacks on Corbyn, EU referendum, bombing Syria, Abolishing welfare state, Peers and MPs raping and murdering children, stealth privatisation of NHS and other public services, TTIP, erosion of human rights, increased inequality, promotion of aristocracy as ruling elite, no new powers of any significance, treats Scotland like a colony,

people are changing their minds.

55%!!! Overwhelming majorty!!!

Dis86 · 3 Sep 2015 at 16:31

Tefal said:
yeah they said no.

Lol. I honestly can't believe a mod hasn't stepped in now. This isn't any kind of debate. It's one person talking absolute nationalist crap.

Actually that's not entirely unlike the snp!

Still can't work out why I replied though.

FoxEye · 3 Sep 2015 at 16:36

Do we really want to preserve the union for the next X years while a majority want to leave?

Why delay the inevitable if that truly is the case. Yay let's foster lots of resentment between us. That'll show the damn Scots

Or if they truly want to go... let them?

I know they've had a referendum recently and they lost, but I just don't see the point in hanging on to the union if they honestly don't want it. If next year 65% want to leave, what then? Or 75%?

It's just not feasible to maintain the union if/when Scots decide they don't want it.

Elixir · 3 Sep 2015 at 17:28

FoxEye said:
Do we really want to preserve the union for the next X years while a majority want to leave?

The majority don't want to leave, hence the result of the referendum last year.

FoxEye · 3 Sep 2015 at 17:36

Elixir said:
The majority don't want to leave, hence the result of the referendum last year.

All that shows you is a snapshot in time.

You know people change their minds... You think the result would be exactly the same today?

In 5 years time?

Dis86 · 3 Sep 2015 at 17:45

FoxEye said:
All that shows you is a snapshot in time.

You know people change their minds... You think the result would be exactly the same today?

In 5 years time?

That goes both ways. The fact is people were given their choice and made it.
Everyone was made aware it was essentially a once in a lifetime thing.

The_Abyss · 3 Sep 2015 at 17:52

FoxEye said:
All that shows you is a snapshot in time.

You know people change their minds... You think the result would be exactly the same today?

In 5 years time?

So how often should they be polled and opt in and out? Annually? Monthly?

ShakenNstirred · 3 Sep 2015 at 17:57

Let them have it, they will go bankrupt in a year or two

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scorza · 3 Sep 2015 at 18:00

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34133269

LOL one of the SNP's flagship policies - minimum alcohol pricing - has been ruled illegal by the EU. Now if the EU had just humiliated my government like that, I'd be pretty furious and renew calls to leave the EU, but Nicola Sturgeon can't do that can she? She wants to be ruled by Brussels so will just have to suck it up.

The_Abyss · 3 Sep 2015 at 18:04

Actually, the ruling returns it back to the Scottish court who can decide it is legal on health grounds. The same court has already approved it once.

lovelyhead · 3 Sep 2015 at 18:13

Dis86 said:
That goes both ways.

Yep and ever since the referendum it has been going the way of us nationalists. 55%!!! Overwhelming victory!

scorza said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34133269

LOL one of the SNP's flagship policies - minimum alcohol pricing - has been ruled illegal by the EU. Now if the EU had just humiliated my government like that, I'd be pretty furious and renew calls to leave the EU, but Nicola Sturgeon can't do that can she? She wants to be ruled by Brussels so will just have to suck it up.

The_Abyss said:
Actually, the ruling returns it back to the Scottish court who can decide it is legal on health grounds. The same court has already approved it once.

Owned!

scorza · 3 Sep 2015 at 18:23

The_Abyss said:
Actually, the ruling returns it back to the Scottish court who can decide it is legal on health grounds. The same court has already approved it once.

Is that like how government's repeatedly hold referendums until they get the result they want?

lovelyhead · 3 Sep 2015 at 18:31

scorza said:
Is that like how government's repeatedly hold referendums until they get the result they want?

Governments only hold referendum when the people want one. Silly billy.

Macro · 3 Sep 2015 at 20:07

FoxEye said:
Do we really want to preserve the union for the next X years while a majority want to leave?

Why delay the inevitable if that truly is the case. Yay let's foster lots of resentment between us. That'll show the damn Scots

Or if they truly want to go... let them?

I know they've had a referendum recently and they lost, but I just don't see the point in hanging on to the union if they honestly don't want it. If next year 65% want to leave, what then? Or 75%?

It's just not feasible to maintain the union if/when Scots decide they don't want it.

They didn't lose, the Scots won when it became clear the majority of them wanted to stay in the Union despite what the Nats would like everyone to believe. The Nats insisted the majority of Scots were demanding to leave the union, the question got put to the people rather than the nationalist politicians and despite doing everything they could to stoke the independence propaganda train including making the most of Bannockburn anniversary it became clear that it wasn't what the majority of Scots wanted at all.

All this waffle is bunkum based on a false premise put forward by the nats desperately trying to claw more power for wee wreck and the political elite who believe that somehow Scots were too wee, poor or stupid to make an informed decision in the referendum and somehow didn't understand the question.

Macro · 3 Sep 2015 at 20:07

Rab C Nesquik said:
Governments only hold referendum when the people want one. Silly billy.

O'rly? <blast from the past>

lovelyhead · 3 Sep 2015 at 20:38

Macro said:
They didn't lose, the Scots won when it became clear the majority of them wanted to stay in the Union despite what the Nats would like everyone to believe. The Nats insisted the majority of Scots were demanding to leave the union, the question got put to the people rather than the nationalist politicians and despite doing everything they could to stoke the independence propaganda train including making the most of Bannockburn anniversary it became clear that it wasn't what the majority of Scots wanted at all.

All this waffle is bunkum based on a false premise put forward by the nats desperately trying to claw more power for wee wreck and the political elite who believe that somehow Scots were too wee, poor or stupid to make an informed decision in the referendum and somehow didn't understand the question.

Yet today we have a poll saying that 55% of Scots want to live in an independent Scotland. An overwhelming result for us nationalists.

scorza · 3 Sep 2015 at 20:49

Rab C Nesquik said:
Yet today we have a poll saying that 55% of Scots want to live in an independent Scotland. An overwhelming result for us nationalists.

Your polls said the same thing in the run up to the last referendum, but come the big day you guys bottled it.