The EU Migrant Crisis

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Tephnos said:
And you keep carrying on believing that we can sustain so many migrants without repercussions.
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I've never said there wont be repurcussions.

I just think the human lives at risk make the repurcussions worth dealing with.
 
arknor said:
they might not be as safe as the uk but they are perfectly safe places to live out your life.

your just expected to earn a living.
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This.

Having spent a fair amount of time in the UAE in the past 12 months I can confirm it's a safe, stable country. OK so they don't treat Bangladeshi/Indian migrant workers particularly well but that's more to do with their racist attitudes to those workers rather than safety of the country.
 
Tephnos said:
You just surprised me with your lack of foresight, is all.

Short term thinker ahoy.
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Recognising there will be repurcussions and the need to deal with those repurcussions is hardly a sign of someone "lacking foresight".

C'mon chap - put the critical thinking skills that you learnt at University to good use!
 
amigafan2003 said:
Recognising there will be repurcussions and the need to deal with those repurcussions is hardly a sign of someone "lacking foresight".

C'mon chap - put the critical thinking skills that you learnt at University to good use!
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It is also easy to say 'we'll hit that road when we get there' without realising the extent of those repercussions and how it will continue for generations, something our children will be dealing with, and not you.

Will they respect you or resent you for that, I wonder?
 
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Tephnos said:
It is also easy to say 'we'll hit that road when we get there' without realising the extent of those repercussions and how it will continue for generations, something our children will be dealing with, and not you.

Will they respect you or resent you for that, I wonder?
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So you're saying "don't help" because something bad "might" happen?

What kind of reasoning is that?

I'm not suggesting we let in a load of refugees and that's it - no more to be done. Helping refugees requires a co-ordinated approach to integrate them into society, ensure those feared "enclaves" don't spring up, good education for them, job creation, sustainable housing, appropriate policing, adequate healthcare, social safety nets etc - all things required to ensure your imagined "bad" repurcussions don't materialise.
 
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amigafan2003 said:
So you're saying "don't help" because something bad "might" happen?

What kind of reasoning is that?
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No, we already know something bad will happen. You only need to look at the situation with open eyes and an objective mind to see that.

You don't, however.

Nice swingset example, btw.
 
Tephnos said:
No, we already know something bad will happen.
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Do we?

You only need to look at the situation with open eyes and an objective mind to see that.
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Hmm, not sure you're the one with open eyes and an objective mind here - your critical analysis seems faulty on many levels. It seems driven by fear, not rationality.

You don't, however.
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Your right - I don't. But I'm not a pessimist.

Nice swingset example, btw.
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You've lost me.
 
Yes we do, you conveniently ignore all of it though and continue to spout your fantasy utopias.

Yours is driven by your bleeding heart and lack of real solutions that will actually work, be sustainable and not just result in words.

Funny that as I'm a realist. :)

And don't try to cover it up, you edited it out as I quoted it.
 
*takes thread to its logical Godwin conclusion*

I'd imagine a lot of the posters here would have made the same arguments about Jewish refugees leading up to and during WWII.
 
Tunney said:
*takes thread to its logical Godwin conclusion*

I'd imagine a lot of the posters here would have made the same arguments about Jewish refugees leading up to and during WWII.
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Well, I imagine the Jews in Germany didn't have a culture that directly opposed western cultures and values, did it? Of course nobody wants to talk about that, because its racist or something.
 
Tephnos said:
Yes we do, you conveniently ignore all of it though and continue to spout your fantasy utopias.
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If by "ignoring" you mean "seeing no evidence of" then sure.

Yours is driven by your bleeding heart and lack of real solutions that will actually work, be sustainable and not just result in words.
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I love the way you use "bleeding heart" as an insult - classy :-)

I have lots of solutions as it happens - when my report/proposal is published I'll be sure to copy you in.

Funny that as I'm a realist. :)
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It's suprising how often "Realist" is used as an attempt to mask all sorts of undesirable character traits.

And don't try to cover it up, you edited it out as I quoted it.
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I edit posts all the time as my thoughts constantly evolve and coalesce into sound reasoning. Anyone that is inflexible in thier reasoning, thought processes and analysis isn't worth debating with.
 
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