The EU Migrant Crisis

atpbx · 4 Sep 2015 at 07:25

None.
It's up to the west to go and sort the problem out and risk our soldiers lives to clean these backwards **** holes up.

However, in this case we can't, as the Russians are there fighting already.

balky12 · 4 Sep 2015 at 07:25

I've heard that Labour wants Cameron to be taking at least 10,000 migrants a month..

Can't help but feel that this is just a vote winning campaign...

Right now say the right thing. Then watch as the country slowly implodes (with it all being Cameron's 'fault').

I'm not too clued up on the intricacies of refuges getting citizenship and being able to vote (can this happen?), if so, more likely to align with labour..

atpbx · 4 Sep 2015 at 07:27

Cosimo said:
Why is Russia, Syria's great ally not offering to take any and what about all those stinking rich Arab states not wanting to help their brothers? The silence from this lot is deafening.

Maybe something to do with the streets of Germany being paved with Euros is the answer.

Cause Russia have troops on the ground in Syria and are kind of the problem.

The Arab States however, displaying their usual tolerance and empathy to their fellow man by doing what's it seems to be anyway, absolutely nothing.

Danthus · 4 Sep 2015 at 07:42

balky12 said:
I've heard that Labour wants Cameron to be taking at least 10,000 migrants a month..

Can't help but feel that this is just a vote winning campaign...

Right now say the right thing. Then watch as the country slowly implodes (with it all being Cameron's 'fault').

I'm not too clued up on the intricacies of refuges getting citizenship and being able to vote (can this happen?), if so, more likely to align with labour..

A vote winner with who?

Politically, Cameron is caught between a rock and a hard place.

scorza · 4 Sep 2015 at 07:48

balky12 said:
I've heard that Labour wants Cameron to be taking at least 10,000 migrants a month..

Can't help but feel that this is just a vote winning campaign...

Right now say the right thing. Then watch as the country slowly implodes (with it all being Cameron's 'fault').

I'm not too clued up on the intricacies of refuges getting citizenship and being able to vote (can this happen?), if so, more likely to align with labour..

That's only Yvette Cooper whose said that, the rest are a bit wishy-washy about numbers, though you imagine Jeremy Corbyn would like the entire population of the middle-east to move over here.

Danthus · 4 Sep 2015 at 07:52

Oh and just to put 10,000 people into context, that is about 0.01% of the current population.

scorza · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:02

OldCoals said:
Oh and just to put 10,000 people into context, that is about 0.01% of the current population.

It's an extra 120,000 a year on top of the 300,000 who come here every year as part of normal net migration. 420,000 is roughly the population of Cardiff. Where are we going to build this extra city? Oh wait we're not. Britain is full.

Danthus · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:05

scorza said:
It's an extra 120,000 a year on top of the 300,000 who come here every year as part of normal net migration. 420,000 is roughly the population of Cardiff. Where are we going to build this extra city? Oh wait we're not. Britain is full.

Best just let them die then hey?

scorza · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:13

OldCoals said:
Best just let them die then hey?

Britain already gives more funding to UN-run refugee camps for Syrians in Jordan and the Lebanon than any other country in the world (or possibly just out of the EU). No other country has matched our much vaunted foreign aid budget policy of 0.7% GDP guaranteed by law. These people aren't dying because of anything Britain did, they're dying because of the people traffickers and EU-Schengen's shambolic response.

Why arne't the media asking how many migrants from Syria have Russia taken in? They prevented any western intervention in the Syrian civil war, they are responsible imo for the subsequent humanitarian crisis. Perhaps if Mr Putin didn't spend so much time in the gym he could do something to help these migrants? We keep hearing how Russia is "stronk - like bull" these days - prove it.

bloodiedathame · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:13

OldCoals said:
Best just let them die then hey?

Spain has empty cities, just sayin'.

Faustus · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:19

Boycey0211 said:
no, yet again I have to explain the fact that you're prejudiced not racist but I think thats beyond you

We are all prejudiced against one thing or another in some form, it's part of the human condition. I don't see this as a bad thing, rather the contrary.

What does disappointment me is Cameron is going to fold at the first sign of pressure again.

This is a global problem so let's see other countries like Russia China the U.S. and Australia to name but a few step up and take some of these people.

MookJong · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:24

A fun experiment you can do in your head is imagine all the migrants were Norwegians, Sweetish and Danish trying to escape a warzone.

I hate myself for the way it makes me feel.

oulton · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:25

While I am all for helping geniune refugees, The scenes in Budapest are very worrying

Where are the women and children?

All are men, most of them fighting age.

Freakbro · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:36

It was on the news last night that we have taken 5,000 Syrian refugees since 2011... 1000 a year, whopee do, we really aren't pulling our weight in this regard.

scorza · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:41

Thing is, imagine if Britain suffered some sort of calamity and we all ended up as refugees - where do you suppose we'd end up? I doubt our EU partners would help much, right now it looks like they couldn't organise a ****-up in a brewery never mind organise millions of displaced people. Certainly not the Muslim world for obvious reasons. Maybe the old colonies - USA, Canada, Australia, NZ - would help if they have the capability but in the main I would expect that we'd starve in our millions.

Freakbro · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:45

scorza said:
Thing is, imagine if Britain suffered some sort of calamity and we all ended up as refugees - where do you suppose we'd end up? I doubt our EU partners would help much right now it looks like they couldn't organise a ****-up in a brewery never mind organise millions of displaced people. Certainly not the Muslim world for obvious reasons. Maybe the old colonies - USA, Canada, Australia, NZ - would help if they have the capability but in the main I would expect that we'd starve in our millions.

Well, thankfully this is just your opinion pulled out of your ass with no basis in fact

Since the Syrians aren't starving in their millions, I very much doubt we would either.

SPG · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:46

Thing is the above would never happen and our ties with Europe would hold without question. These people are only the same in flesh and blood. There ideology and mindset is utterly different which is what matters. Flesh and blood is born quite easily.

bloodiedathame · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:46

Freakbro said:
It was on the news last night that we have taken 5,000 Syrian refugees since 2011... 1000 a year, whopee do, we really aren't pulling our weight in this regard.

How many refugees in total have there been since 2011? You can't just quote a figure without context.

scorza · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:53

Freakbro said:
Well, thankfully this is just your opinion pulled out of your ass with no basis in fact

Since the Syrians aren't starving in their millions, I very much doubt we would either.

That's cos they're "poor innocent Muslims". When it happens to us it'll be our fault for having a British empire, invading Iraq, etc.

Freakbro · 4 Sep 2015 at 08:53

bloodiedathame said:
How many refugees in total have there been since 2011? You can't just quote a figure without context.

I have some figures from 2014 alone

There were 19.5 million refugees worldwide at the end of 2014, 14.4 million under the mandate of UNHCR, around 2.9 million more than in 2013.

The other 5.1 million Palestinian refugees are registered with the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA).

In 2014, the country hosting the largest number of refugees was Turkey, with 1.59 million refugees. By the end of 2014, Syria had become the world’s top source country of refugees, overtaking Afghanistan, which had held this position for more than three decades. Today, on average, almost one out of every four refugees is Syrian, with 95 per cent located in surrounding countries.

Oh look, 95% of Syrian refugees do stay in neighbouring countries, Europe is only getting a fraction.

At least 1.66 million people submitted applications for asylum in 2014, the highest level ever recorded.

With an estimated 274,700 asylum claims, the Russian Federation became the largest recipient of new individual applications in 2014, followed by Germany (173,100), and the USA (121,200)

With an estimated 173,100 asylum applications, Germany was the largest recipient of new asylum claims in 2014. The United States of America was second with 121,200 asylum applications, followed by Turkey (87,800), Sweden (75,100), and Italy (63,700). By comparison, the UK received 31,300 new applications for asylum by the end of 2014.

How many refugees are there in the UK?

At the end of 2014, the population of refugees, pending asylum cases and stateless persons made up just 0.24% of the population. That’s 117,161 refugees, 36,383 pending asylum cases and 16 stateless persons.

The top three countries of origin [in the UK] are: Eritrea (3,568), Pakistan (2,302), and Syria (2,204),

http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/key-facts-and-figures.html

http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/the-uk-and-asylum.html