The EU Migrant Crisis

[bloodiedathame]

Good work. (y)

I wasn't trying to be an ass btw, just wanted some context.

It's a very poor figure.

 

[Freakbro]

That's cos they're "poor innocent Muslims". When it happens to us it'll be our fault for having a British empire, invading Iraq, etc.

LOL...I'm not sure where the words 'Muslim' and 'innocent' have been mentioned in the same sentence, well, especially not around here!

It's usually ascribed with rapist, murderer, terrorist combined with a borg like fervour for assimilation.

 

[scorza]

LOL...I'm not sure where the words 'Muslim' and 'innocent' have been mentioned in the same sentence, well, especially not around here!

It's usually ascribed with rapist, murderer, terrorist combined with a borg like fervour for assimilation.

I'm just describing the global paradigm, as perpetuated by the world's elite and media institutions - not what I think at all

Make no mistake, the rest of the world hates us - when the chips are down the only countries we'll be able to rely on are the ones that British immigrants made - USA, Canada, Australia, NZ etc.

 

[Hellsmk2]

Yeah ok Ukraine is wrong.

The sense of entitlement these people have is quite frustrating though. I don't get free accommodation, food etc. so why should they?

I'd actually flip that around and say your own sense of entitlement based on the particular vagina you came out of is far more frustrating.

 

[Dave]

I saw the BBC is running an article on the "10 most moving photographs" of the migrant crisis to go alongside its piece yesterday of the father of the "most beautiful" boy who drowned - it's poor, sensationalist journalism that I wouldn't expect (but am not surprised) from the BBC. It's this sort of coverage alongside the "migrant vs refugee" debate that makes me feel exasperated about the crisis.

Ultimately, I have no problem with genuine refugees seeking asylum but I think that people have cottoned on that the EU has a perception that it will rescue everyone. Those in Hungary should realise that a genuine refugee would seek help in the first safe haven and it reflects very badly on them to the general population that they are demanding passage to other countries. I just hope that Germany knows what it's doing to process the asylum applications and hope that they won't just "do a Sweden" and let in anyone with a sob story without making the correct checks on each case.

It's not racist to reject an application from someone who doesn't qualify - genuine "economic migrants" can apply for the correct work visa the same way as everyone else. Why would it be fair that these people coming just for work from some parts of the world be let in under the guise of coming here on a leaky boat whereas if an American, Chinese or Argentinian turned up on our shores to work they would be turned away for not having the correct documentation? (I'm assuming those three countries are not represented amongst the hundreds of thousands trying to enter Germany)

 

[Freakbro]

Good work. (y)

I wasn't trying to be an ass btw, just wanted some context.

It's a very poor figure.

No worries, I didn't think you were being.

It is important to get context on these numbers, as our press and media seem to have convinced a lot of people around here that ALL the immigrants in the world are coming to the UK and we welcome them in with open arms and give them free everything

When the reality is we take a fraction of other countries, when we are actually one of the richest countries in the world.

 

[Hellsmk2]

How many refugees in total have there been since 2011? You can't just quote a figure without context.

Five seconds on Google will tell you there have been millions of refugees since 2011. There were millions classed as refugees in that year alone.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

5,000 is more than enough for us to take. We're not a neighbouring country, what responsibility do we have to house refugees in Britain?

The Hungarian PM has the right idea:

Viktor Orban, Hungarian prime minister, does not want Muslims in Hungary because of the apparent consequences of having large numbers of Muslim communities that he says exist in other countries.

"All countries have a right to decide whether they want to live with large numbers of Muslims in their countries. If they want to, they can. We don't want to, and we have a right to decide we do not want a large number of Muslim people in our country.

"We do not like the consequences of having large numbers of Muslim communities that we see in other countries, and I see no reason for anyone to force us to create ways of living together.

"Therefore, there are differences."

 

[bloodiedathame]

Five seconds on Google will tell you there have been millions of refugees since 2011. There were millions classed as refugees in that year alone.

We were talking about Syrian refugees specifically. Which, yes, is 9 million. I can Google, but it wasn't my argument to provide context for. Western society has a habit of taking everything at face value.

 

[balky12]

A vote winner with who?

Politically, Cameron is caught between a rock and a hard place.

Vote winner for Labour. The public seem to have been moved by the recent pictures of that little boy and everyone's bleeding heats want to help now. Labour are saying we need to do more.

Fast forward a few years after taking on mass immigration and things aren't so rosy and it will be all Cameron's/ Tories fault.

 

[Freakbro]

5,000 is more than enough for us to take

I disagree

We're not a neighbouring country,

Well, that shoots down Scorza's argument that Canada, NZ, Oz would take us in a time of need since they are not a neighbouring country

what responsibility do we have to house refugees in Britain?

I could list many, but shall we start with the 1951 UN Refugee Convention?

 

[XeNoN89]

A fun experiment you can do in your head is imagine all the migrants were Norwegians, Sweetish and Danish trying to escape a warzone.

I hate myself for the way it makes me feel.

I'd much rather have Scandinavians coming over in the thousands instead of people from the middle east and Africa. It's not a race issue which many other people (and maybe you?) are suggesting, it's simply a cultural one. People coming from a civilised western country more similar to ours will generally fit in much better in comparison to people from a poor country with completely different cultural standards.

This is exactly why the EU free travel policy used to be fine but has become unworkable. It was fine when it was just similarly wealthy European counties, but as soon as you start adding poorer eastern european countries it becomes an issue because there is just too much of a difference.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

I'd actually flip that around and say your own sense of entitlement based on the particular vagina you came out of is far more frustrating.

That vagina was part of a community of people who worked together to create the conditions present in our borders. Its not some random vagina!

 

[Billies Bangers]

It was on the news last night that we have taken 5,000 Syrian refugees since 2011... 1000 a year, whopee do, we really aren't pulling our weight in this regard.

This has to be seen in the context of all the other immigrants we have taken in that time. Look at those figures and I think you will see we are more than pulling our weight.

I think Faustus makes an excellent point about this being a global issue.

I also think the scenes of belligerent demanding people on the news last night did absolutely nothing to further their cause. 'We want help and we demand it now, and our our terms' appears to be the attitude. This makes me switch off to their plight completely.

 

[sityeuropa]

I'd much rather have Scandinavians coming over in the thousands instead of people from the middle east and Africa. It's not a race issue which many other people (and maybe you?) are suggesting, it's simply a cultural one. People coming from a civilised western country more similar to ours will generally fit in much better in comparison to people from a poor country with completely different cultural standards.

This is exactly why the EU free travel policy used to be fine but has become unworkable. It was fine when it was just similarly wealthy European counties, but as soon as you start adding poorer eastern European countries it becomes an issue because there is just too much of a difference.

I agree, it's definitely a culture issue. Mass immigration of different cultures would never work. Especially when your culture gives rise to ISIS. That is what scares me.

 

[Freakbro]

This has to be seen in the context of all the other immigrants we have taken in that time. Look at those figures and I think you will see we are more than pulling our weight.

I think Faustus makes an excellent point about this being a global issue.

I think you'll find in the actual figures I posted from 2014, we aren't pulling our weight.

 

[balky12]

This is what I don't get. Many refugees are making it to Turkey, but then taking risks getting to Western Europe.

Turkey is perfectly safe, more closely aligned to their own culture, and probably has more to offer them in the way of work.

 

[scorza]

Well, that shoots down Scorza's argument that Canada, NZ, Oz would take us in a time of need since they are not a neighbouring country

Actually USA and Canada are - there's just a massive ocean in between. I sometimes wonder about buying an ocean going yacht and learning to sail so I can bug out to Canada come the Caliphate, but then my health ain't great so I'll probably be dead before that happens. Nevertheless, anyone planning on living for the next 20+ years should consider it.

 

[balky12]

I agree, it's definitely a culture issue. Mass immigration of different cultures would never work. Especially when your culture gives rise to ISIS. That is what scares me.

Isn't Syria, in effect, a product of many years of refugee housing?

Went well for them.

 

[Billies Bangers]

No worries, I didn't think you were being.

It is important to get context on these numbers, as our press and media seem to have convinced a lot of people around here that ALL the immigrants in the world are coming to the UK and we welcome them in with open arms and give them free everything

When the reality is we take a fraction of other countries, when we are actually one of the richest countries in the world.

We are also one of the smallest and most densely packed - no cherry picking now.