The EU Migrant Crisis

[FoxEye]

The South East already has the infrastructure and jobs needed to support the additional population - it's where most of the UK's investment goes - it makes sense to settle the refugees there as well.

But it's also where housing is most expensive, and for a certainty these immigrants will end up in private accommodation that we have to pay rent on.

But I'm glad these migrants will get the benefit of the tax revenue poured into London.

Down here we've just had yet another long awaited infrastructure project cancelled, as they can't justify the cost. One that was promised before the election...

 

[lude1962]

http://www.unhcr.org.uk/

Yes I managed to find that site, but a link to the exact article you're quoting would be helpful.

 

[scorza]

The South East already has the infrastructure and jobs needed to support the additional population - it's where most of the UK's investment goes - it makes sense to settle the refugees there as well.

Ah so now it's not in my back-yard right? I was actually thinking that Blackpool would be a good place, you can't make that place much more of a turd hole.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Glad we agree then. Saudi Arabia and Egypt could also be good places.

Both are **** holes. Nobody in thier right mind would choose to move there.

But they're probably safe. Which is the point of asylum surely? Anything else would make them economic migrants.

Anyway, we now know we are going to take a sizeable number of additional refugees.

Statistically, most of them end up in London and the South East (source BBC news).

Which strikes me as odd, because that is precisely where they will cost the taxpayer the most to house them.

Or does London have a lot of empty council-owned property (suspect not, given how in-demand property is in London).

Even odder when you consider the disproportionate number of empty properties in the North, almost double the number in London and the South East, some of which can be purchased for £1 only

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gen...-homes-will-not-solve-the-housing-crisis.html

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Yes I managed to find that site, but a link to the exact article you're quoting would be helpful.

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/page?page=49e48f166&submit=GO

 

[lude1962]

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/page?page=49e48f166&submit=GO

Unless you have mislinked that article contains no mention of, Japan, RoK or the NL.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Yeah - thought it was a you tube video - misrepresenting the facts.

So the sister said he was going to get his teeth sorted out once they got to thier destination - so what? It wasn't the reason they were leaving Turkey - they left because of the deteriotaing conditions in the refugee camp in Turkey. Incidently, the father had a job in Turkey and the family joined him there from Syria after thier house was bombed.

So guy had a job in turkey, yet chooses to try to go Germany and put his family at risk?

And people still want to use the term "Refugee" lmao.... nope. It's all about the $$ and in this case some new teeth.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Unless you have mislinked that article contains no mention of, Japan, RoK or the NL.

That was for the UK numbers I quoted. Jesus - use the drop down on the right - or do I have to link every page for you?

 

[Deleted member 66701]

So guy had a job in turkey, yet chooses to try to go Germany and put his family at risk?

And people still want to use the term "Refugee" lmao.... nope. It's all about the $$.

I see you ignored the rest of the post - good job.

they left because of the deteriotaing conditions in the refugee camp in Turkey

 

[CREATIVE!11]

I see you ignored the rest of the post - good job.

Yeah but if he had a job surely it wouldn't be long before he could afford to put them up rather than choose a perilous boat journey?

I'm not buying it.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

I'm not buying it.

quelle surprise

 

[CREATIVE!11]

quelle surprise

Stop being sarcastic.

It's a valid point. Again, he had a job? like I said surely eventually he could afford a place for his family.

So he packs his job in and some income to get in a broken ass boat and try cross to Germany. This is not about escaping a war torn country and you're telling me the conditions are SO DAMNED BAD in turkey it's worth dying over?

Come now.

It's $$ plain and simple. What people have been saying all along. This is why the UK was the number one destination not long ago, it was common knowledge among migrants you could get benefits easily. They said it themselves when interviewed on the Vice documentary they did on Calais.

 

[Nitefly]

I find it conceptually amusing that person a) would dislike person b) simply for daring to want to have the same lifestyle as person a), when in reality all person a) has done to be rewarded with his lifestyle is be fortunate enough to be born into a particular country.

None of us here have shaped this country into what it is today. No matter how hard we work or how decent we are, we all we stand tall on the shoulders of those before us.

 

[Tephnos]

Stop being sarcastic.

It's a valid point. Again, he had a job? like I said surely eventually he could afford a place for his family.

So he packs his job in and some income to get in a broken ass boat and try cross to Germany. This is not about escaping a war torn country and you're telling me the conditions are SO DAMNED BAD in turkey it's worth dying over?

Come now.

It's $$ plain and simple. What people have been saying all along. This is why the UK was the number one destination not long ago, it was common knowledge among migrants you could get benefits easily. They said it themselves when interviewed on the Vice documentary they did on Calais.

Anything you say will bounce off that guys skull, I prefer to just sit back and watch him mash his keyboard instead now.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

I find it conceptually amusing that person a) would dislike person b) simply for daring to want to have the same lifestyle as person a), when in reality all person a) has done to be rewarded with his lifestyle is be fortunate enough to be born into a particular country.

None of us here have shaped this country into what it is today. No matter how hard we work or how decent we are, we all we stand tall on the shoulders of those before us.

Quite - I'm not sure when "economic migrant" became a dirty word (ok, two words) to some people. It's as if none of them have ever moved to get a better job.

Anything you say will bounce off that guys skull, I prefer to just sit back and watch him mash his keyboard instead now.

They bounce off because I have quite a resistance to ********.

 

[scorza]

I find it conceptually amusing that person a) would dislike person b) simply for daring to want to have the same lifestyle as person a), when in reality all person a) has done to be rewarded with his lifestyle is be fortunate enough to be born into a particular country.

None of us here have shaped this country into what it is today. No matter how hard we work or how decent we are, we all we stand tall on the shoulders of those before us.

You're right that it was nothing more than dumb luck that I happened to be born a Brit, not quite winning the lottery of life that it used to be but nevertheless it makes me much more fortunate than most. Do we not have a duty to at least maintain, or preferably enhance living standards in the country of our birth? Should we not strive to ensure that our children and our children's children are as lucky, or luckier than we were by being born British?

 

[CREATIVE!11]

I find it conceptually amusing that person a) would dislike person b) simply for daring to want to have the same lifestyle as person a), when in reality all person a) has done to be rewarded with his lifestyle is be fortunate enough to be born into a particular country.

None of us here have shaped this country into what it is today. No matter how hard we work or how decent we are, we all we stand tall on the shoulders of those before us.

Not that I dislike someone, quite the assumption. I'd just more describe myself as disconnected from emotions towards a situation or at least I try to be. I want a world where we can all sit by a fire and sing kumbaya, it would truly be awesome.

But I also know that there are financial limitations how how much you can do and the world is a very broken place.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Do we not have a duty to at least maintain, or preferably enhance living standards in the country of our birth? Should we not strive to ensure that our children and our children's children are as lucky, or luckier than we were by being born British?

I still don't see how helping refugees will change that - quite the opposite in fact. I'd like to think my children when they are older will have the compassion to help others and put others before thier own selfish wants.

That's how society betters itself - not by being inward looking and insular.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

I still don't see how helping refugees will change that - quite the opposite in fact. I'd like to think my children when thery are older to have the compassion to help others and put others before thier own selfish wants.

You seem like a nice guy amigafan and you know, I'd love to live in a world where this would be a thing.

But reality comes in and slaps me. All I've been saying in this thread all along is inviting a bunch of people who can't even speak your language and also are hostile to a western way of life isn't smart.

Long run this will blow up. And if it doesn't I'm happy to say I was totally wrong. But looking at the small number of migrants in Europe right now and the level of trouble they have caused I'm not hopeful for a long term positive outcome.

 

[FoxEye]

@Nitefly... do any of us dislike these people who we've never met, on a personal level? Nope. Or do we dislike the consequences of mashing together totally opposed cultures, in a sudden and unnatural way which will 100% result in societal problems in the near future. Plus the total lack of information from anyone as to how this will be funded. We aren't sitting on a pot of gold, so money will have to be diverted from somewhere. People on waiting lists for houses will not be amused to find immigrants suddenly at the head of the queue.

You're right, we didn't build this country. But growing up in this country molded us into a certain way of thinking and acting. Growing up where they did has had the same effect, but left them fundamentally different from us. Not just different, opposed. Half of them do not want to integrate because they do not like us. Why do they not like us? Because of our values, which came from where we were born.

So it works both ways.