The EU Migrant Crisis

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Billies Bangers said:
Well written estebanrey - these are the uncomfortable truths which no one who supports this migration wants to answer.
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I answered them.

Roar87 said:
I saw a homeless man asleep in Leeds on the way to work today, I wonder if I took a picture and started a hashtag David Cameron would give him 100 million Euros
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Did you do anything for him? Or did you just walk on by?
 
No1newts said:
It's another reason to be rid of the BBC why should tax payers money be used to push the political agenda of the time? At least let someone else pay for it if they want to do that.
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The fact that they gave Emma Thompson a platform to call us all racist peed me off. Doubt I'll renew my licence this year as I only watch netflix and blu rays anyhow!
 
Narj said:
Odd how the press are calling all migrants "refugees" now. Clearly not the case. It's like most have done a 180! The Telegraph is a curious one!
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The media reports what it thinks its audience wants to hear. The papers (probably after reading OCuk) got this one completely wrong and had to change their narrative.
 
amigafan2003 said:
Did you do anything for him? Or did you just walk on by?
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He was fast asleep as it was 6:55am and I was due in work for 7am, I would've bought him something to eat if I had the opportunity (which I didn't), but I didn't want to just leave money for obvious reasons. I just think when there are homeless on our own streets why is so much money going abroad? I have a lot of sympathy for homeless Men as they seem to get very little help compared to Women and those with children.
 
amigafan2003 said:
Historical evidence suggests otherwise. But who wants to base thier opinions on evidence?
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but i think this is one of the first mass forced migrations where the people have not just sought shelter from persecution and/or death and actually hunted down the kindest hearted and to take advantage of?
 
amigafan2003 said:
I answered them.
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I read an apologists viewpoint rather than an answer. Between yourself and freakbro you should start violin classes. Marching through safe havens and demanding this that and the other does these people no favours. It's not an endearing sight.

It's yet another example of the cog that squeaks the loudest getting most oil.
 
Roar87 said:
He was fast asleep as it was 6:55am and I was due in work for 7am, I would've bought him something to eat if I had the opportunity (which I didn't), but I didn't want to just leave money for obvious reasons. I just think when there are homeless on our own streets why is so much money going abroad? I have a lot of sympathy for homeless Men as they seem to get very little help compared to Women and those with children.
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I concur - which is why I volunteer at a Blackpool soup kitchen once a month and volunter at CAB providing benefits advice.

Just because one group doesn't get as much help doesn't mean I'll close my eyes to another though.
 
amigafan2003 said:
Because those "nearest" refugee camps are hell holes and asylum claims are not being processed properly, if at all. It makes sense to continue travelling to somewhere that will deal with you properly.



Would you want to stay in Greece, who can barely look after thier indigenous population - do you think you would be thier priority? Why is it wrong to seek safety AND propserity?
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now to be honest (IMO) seeking refuge should be just that. refuge from harm. not a trek based on greed alone.

more camps with better facilities i will whole heartedly back. i would even be persuaded to part with a few quid to help assist. this would keep people safe from harm whilst they are processed correctly and a more permanent solution to the issue grafted into place.

what that solution might be, nobody knows.

middle earth is broken.
 
stuman said:
now to be honest (IMO) seeking refuge should be just that. refuge from harm. not a trek based on greed alone.
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I think labelling it a greed is harsh.

more camps with better facilities i will whole heartedly back. i would even be persuaded to part with a few quid to help assist. this would keep people safe from harm whilst they are processed correctly and a more permanent solution to the issue grafted into place.
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I concur - making those initial safe havens "safe" should be the no.1 priority - we need to really help Turkey, Greece and Italy with that - and not just monetarily either.


anything I don't mind said:
The Dutch is 17 million people with 80% Dutch. UK is 60 million with 70% British. If you think that going to match the Netherlands population density is reasonable then i have to say that you have no utilitarian considerations towards England what so ever. Your interests lies in other agenda, if England turned in to a cesspool you would simply move back to your region of origin or move on to newer pastures.
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Classic Groen - sounding a bit conspiracy theorist there, aren't we?

What exactly do you mean my "other agenda"?

And as for "move back to your region of origin", London holds no attraction to me - I don't particulary like cities, which is why I moved somewhere quieter.

It does not appear that you hold and cultural loyalty to England.
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I'm not sure what that even means. But I suppose that was kind or your point wasn't it? I'll let you educate me on that one.
 
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It wanna massive error by the USA, UK and others to overthrow the likes of Saddam Hussain, Colonel Gaddafi, Mubarak. Admittedly they were dictators and rather ruthless; but they kept their house in order. It's the likes of these leaders that would keep the Middle East war-free. The trouble is there are numerous Muslim factions that don't particularly like each other and they like to show it.
 
Personally I think we should be investing heavily in helping to fix issues at point of origin as people all relocating to Europe doesn't solve anything apart from those who are successful individual needs.

Take billions more for all I care and put forth a concerted, probably UN led, response to solve issues. Stimulate business, grow markets and jobs and have some boots on the ground for peacekeeping and stop blinking bombing them.

All the worlds population moving to EU/US the "western" world doesn't help, there is ultimately finite resources in those places so the sensible, long term view is to promote growth and better standards elsewhere but sadly it's easier to grow and make money for yourself and just toss handouts out to keep people pacified.
 
lunar said:
It wanna massive error by the USA, UK and others to overthrow the likes of Saddam Hussain, Colonel Gaddafi, Mubarak. Admittedly they were dictators and rather ruthless; but they kept their house in order. It's the likes of these leaders that would keep the Middle East war-free. The trouble is there are numerous Muslim factions that don't particularly like each other and they like to show it.
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I think this is more to do with the Arab Spring.
 
Quote:
greed |grēd|

noun

intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.
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stuman said:
walking 200 miles risking friends and families lives so that you can be "processed faster" or to have a better life etc comes across to me as greedy.
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Making sure your familiy has somewhere nice to live and plenty to eat isn't selfish though, so by the definition you quoted, thier actions don't qualify as greedy.

If you're going to quote evidence, at least make sure it supports your argument, rather than contradicting it.


Right - I'm off to watch the F1 - everyone have fun while I'm gone - I'll respond to the personal attacks and name calling when I'm back :D
 
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Nitefly said:
Really?! Risking their lives for greed... when they have nothing.
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they have somewhere safe to sleep free of risk of murder by tyrannical religious groups. to have free food. and will be re-homed following due process where availability arises.

yet through greedy choice they decide they are entitled to more. they want a life in a first world country.

now, i want a Porsche. it doesn't mean i can walk into a garage pick up the keys and take one. i am not entitled to it.
 
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