The EU Migrant Crisis

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If you believe the majority of people are fleeing war and famine then you must explain first why the majority are not going to their nearest refugee camp.

Actually, there is an answer to this, one which is from an obvious question that I and no one else has seemed to ask. I heard the answer last night which gave rise to the question....

The Syrian war has been going on now for 4-5 years, why now all of a sudden have we got this mass influx of Syrian refugees?

It's because, and in answer to your question above, they are coming from the refugee camps - because unfortunately as usual, international pledges of money to support these camps is not materialising, the funds are drying up (in our defence Britain alone has met our obligations and now given more) so the camps themselves are running out of food, supplies and shelter. Hence now all of a sudden we are seeing these sorts of numbers entering Europe.

And the other stupid question usually asked at this point (I think I deleted yours?) Is why don't they stop at the first safe haven, like international law says....yea, right, like a fleeing refugee is going to be that bothered about what the finer points of international law says, would you? They know Hungary doesn't want them, they know their applications will either not be processed or take months, but you have countries like Germany, Sweden actively saying come to us, so of course they are going to make their way there. I would in their position.

It is superior.

Try telling the migrants that life in Britain or Germany is not superior to life in Syria, and see how far you get.

Err, in fact the father to those two drowned boys gave a speech at their burial yesterday saying exactly the opposite. Just as we have ties and connections to our countries of birth due to culture, heritage, history etc so do they. It's their country, of course they would rather be living at 'home' rather than somewhere they have no ties with, as a refugee.
 
You must assume that the number 1 cited destination amongst those interviewed wanted to go to and Germany being the rihest country in Europe is just a coincidence.

Duh, it's got nothing to do with being the 'richest' - jesus, everyone is so hung up about money and someone else might take a piece of their pie - it's because Germany is saying 'come to us, we will take you' compared to the other countries saying '**** off we dont want you'

oh and yes, I do believe our 'culture' is superior to 'theirs'..... Call me a 'culturist' but I think supporting gay rights, freedom of speech, gender equality, governmental secularism and non-belief in the State executing its citizens is 'superior' to alternative systems.

Of course you think that, because you live in this society and accept it's views, but someone who doesn't accept them won't think it's superior will they? So again, they are being accused of contradictory things...A) They are all backward and don't share our values B) They all want to come here because our values make us a superior culture...doh!

And I'm not just meaning you Este, I could have quoted numerous posts with just as much rubbish rhetoric in it
 
BBC News website clearly showing the UK Govt. Agenda yet again, one minute we don't want any of the Calais Immigrants and all they had were pictures of intimidating, angry looking young men intent on violence.

Looks like the Govt. has been told to take them by the EU so now they are trying to get the people on board with 'But we've got to take them' and the BBC News site is now full of pictures of women and children looking desperate...
 
If you believe that Syrian parents would risk their children drowning or starving on the way out of their homeland, and that Syrian people would leave everything they have ever owned, known and loved, just to live on your tax dollars/pounds/euros, then your assumption is that Syrians are placing "an easy life" above the lives of their families and the rich culture and history they are forced to leave behind, and that the life you take for granted here is far superior to any life in the country, society and culture that the refugees come from. It also implies you assume that the refugees have neither skills to offer nor willingness to work to integrate into our economic system instead of living on handouts indefinitely.

The boys father left Syria because he needed new teeth:

How cucked can you be?
 
The boys father left Syria because he needed new teeth:

How cucked can you be?

You need to do some more research into that story. That's already been debunked as false reporting earlier in this thread.

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Even in GD, you still don't throw around personal insults. Keep it classy dude.




If you believe the majority of people are fleeing war and famine then you must explain first why the majority are not going to their nearest refugee camp and claiming asylum there and waiting to be processed before being given residency in a safe European country of the system's choosing?

Because those "nearest" refugee camps are hell holes and asylum claims are not being processed properly, if at all. It makes sense to continue travelling to somewhere that will deal with you properly.

You must explain the tens of thousands of people whom despite being admitted and processed in one part of Europe, immediately jump the fences and embark on a 200 mile walk, passing through many other 'war free' countries on their way.

Would you want to stay in Greece, who can barely look after thier indigenous population - do you think you would be thier priority? Why is it wrong to seek safety AND propserity?

You must assume that the number 1 cited destination amongst those interviewed wanted to go to and Germany being the rihest country in Europe is just a coincidence.

Maybe it's because Germany have said "come to us, we'll help you"?
 
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If everything gets sorted in Syria at some point in the future will all these Fugees go home?

I suspect most will.

70% of refugees that came to Britain during the Bosnia conflict returned home within 10 years of the conflict ending.

Some 20% of Afghans have already returned home, and that's even with that country still in a perilous state.
 
We have not had anything like this before in modern times. There is no evidence on which to base anything.

Of course, you're also assuming that the majority will be granted permanent asylum, when most will actually be granted temporary asylum - so they won't have any choice but to return.
 
BBC News website clearly showing the UK Govt. Agenda yet again, one minute we don't want any of the Calais Immigrants and all they had were pictures of intimidating, angry looking young men intent on violence.

Looks like the Govt. has been told to take them by the EU so now they are trying to get the people on board with 'But we've got to take them' and the BBC News site is now full of pictures of women and children looking desperate...

Odd how the press are calling all migrants "refugees" now. Clearly not the case. It's like most have done a 180! The Telegraph is a curious one!
 
If you believe the majority of people are fleeing war and famine then you must explain first why the majority are not going to their nearest refugee camp and claiming asylum there and waiting to be processed before being given residency in a safe European country of the system's choosing?

You must explain the tens of thousands of people whom despite being admitted and processed in one part of Europe, immediately jump the fences and embark on a 200 mile walk, passing through many other 'war free' countries on their way.

You must assume that the number 1 cited destination amongst those interviewed wanted to go to and Germany being the richest country in Europe is just a coincidence.

Oh and yes, I do believe our 'culture' is superior to 'theirs'..... Call me a 'culturalist' but I think supporting gay rights, freedom of speech, gender equality, governmental secularism and non-belief in the State executing its citizens is 'superior' to alternative systems.

Well written estebanrey - these are the uncomfortable truths which no one who supports this migration wants to answer. This isn't about asylum but economic migration by demanding peoples.
 
BBC News website clearly showing the UK Govt. Agenda yet again, one minute we don't want any of the Calais Immigrants and all they had were pictures of intimidating, angry looking young men intent on violence.

Looks like the Govt. has been told to take them by the EU so now they are trying to get the people on board with 'But we've got to take them' and the BBC News site is now full of pictures of women and children looking desperate...

I'm afraid the BBC are no longer a credible source for unbiased news reporting. They are shaping the news agenda not simply reporting it.

I think they should now include a further warning alongside the standard flashing images alert - please have tissues handy.
 
http://www.thelocal.de/20150820/asylum-could-cost-germany-10bn-in-2015/

Asylum 'could cost Germany €10bn' in 2015

Some state governments are already calling for tax increases to pay the differences.

The state must “improve things on the income side,” Schleswig-Holstein finance minister Monika Heinold said, adding that wealthier people should bear the lion's share of the burden through an increase in inheritance tax and the financial transactions tax.

Won't end well.
 
I saw a homeless man asleep in Leeds on the way to work today, I wonder if I took a picture and started a hashtag David Cameron would give him 100 million Euros
 
It's another reason to be rid of the BBC why should tax payers money be used to push the political agenda of the time? At least let someone else pay for it if they want to do that.
 
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