The EU Migrant Crisis

[marl]

I'm confused! I bought a paper today and inside it there were photos of the father and relatives of the young boy who drowned so tragically! Taken at his funeral back at his home in Kobane (I think)

So... if the father could return home, along with journalists, have a funeral etc etc then what was the great danger he was fleeing from?

Someone please enlighten me because this doesn't make sense to me..

 

[Randomface74]

It makes perfect sense once you call them economic migrants and not refugees.

 

[drs101]

Bang on - a one world, secularist, social Technoratic government.

You know, like Star Trek.

Would be cool,if benevolent but governments rearly are, most of the political class only care about power and personal advancement, cameron does give a flying funck about us let alone some poor refugees, its all just postering.

But untill the world address the balance of wealth at every level people will always want to come to the richer parts to have a better life, these are the bigger issues that goverments dont want to even talk about as they are all controlled by corprate and trans national orgs.

They all leave office and go work for the carlye group or goldman sachs, then the world bank or the UN, one big revolving door, for them the mrigrants / refugees are fuel for change.

 

[arknor]

With familes at home who will join them when they find somewhere worth living.............................................

can;t be that bad where there coming from them can it if they leave families behind in safety whilst they march hundreds of miles across europe

Who do you think is going to pay for all of this?

theyre on about scrapping free school meals to save 600m

already "refugees" up here saw a bunch of them sitting at a local park yesterday looking like they just got off the train and skipped processing

 

[Rroff]

It makes perfect sense once you call them economic migrants and not refugees.

Kobane has been the scene of a lot of fighting - anyone with children to bring up would want out of there... its relatively safe at the moment last I heard due to the Kurds and more action from Turkey but that could change any moment.

That said having even half an idea of the unfolding scale of this opening our doors is the last thing we should be doing.

 

[Maccapacca]

can;t be that bad where there coming from them can it if they leave families behind in safety whilst they march hundreds of miles across europe

theyre on about scrapping free school meals to save 600m

already "refugees" up here saw a bunch of them sitting at a local park yesterday looking like they just got off the train and skipped processing

Do they have to wear signs now?

 

[lude1962]

That was for the UK numbers I quoted. Jesus - use the drop down on the right - or do I have to link every page for you?

Yes you do , you quoted figures, put the link up to substantiate your claims

 

[FoxEye]

Bang on - a one world, secularist, social Technoratic government.

You know, like Star Trek.

And I won't argue that it is a nice ideal.

But it's a fairy tale. Utopian dreams are just that. Dreams.

In this world of ours, there aren't just challenges to making this a reality, there are insurmountable obstacles.

You could, for example, poor as much of our wealth as you liked into Africa (we've been trying), or the ME, and the corrupt nature of those regions would guarantee the populace hardly saw any benefit. The elite would prosper, of course.

Do you think we (the west) can cure global corruption? Another dream! A nice one, but...

 

[Usher]

I'm confused! I bought a paper today and inside it there were photos of the father and relatives of the young boy who drowned so tragically! Taken at his funeral back at his home in Kobane (I think)

So... if the father could return home, along with journalists, have a funeral etc etc then what was the great danger he was fleeing from?

Someone please enlighten me because this doesn't make sense to me..

The same as the man interviewed on TV this morning,he left his two little girls aged 4 & 7 back in Syria because it was dangerous to risk a boat across to Greece would I even think of leaving my kids if we were all in mortal danger? no chance, we all escape together or die together.

Thousands of mostly men have swarmed across leaving women & children to face Isis alone presumably & now they are making threats & demands for this, demands for that, throwing packs of bottled water on a railway track in protest at something or other.
Who are these people? don't suppose many have passports,there could be hundreds of Isis killers hiding amongst them for all we know & instead of refugee camps they all want to go & where & when they want
In reality it's turned into the biggest gold rush of all time as they all now want to live in Europe where they see the standard of living compared to theirs & if nothing is done half of North Africa will be heading to our shores.

 

[Skunkworks]

I'm confused! I bought a paper today and inside it there were photos of the father and relatives of the young boy who drowned so tragically! Taken at his funeral back at his home in Kobane (I think)

So... if the father could return home, along with journalists, have a funeral etc etc then what was the great danger he was fleeing from?

Someone please enlighten me because this doesn't make sense to me..

He wasn't a refugee, he was an opportunistic economic migrant, like the vast majority of those we see in the MSM daily.

 

[Roar87]

And I won't argue that it is a nice ideal.

But it's a fairy tale. Utopian dreams are just that. Dreams.

In this world of ours, there aren't just challenges to making this a reality, there are insurmountable obstacles.

You could, for example, poor as much of our wealth as you liked into Africa (we've been trying), or the ME, and the corrupt nature of those regions would guarantee the populace hardly saw any benefit. The elite would prosper, of course.

Do you think we (the west) can cure global corruption? Another dream! A nice one, but...

We probably could, but we'd get labelled "Imperialists" again.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Why don't you appreciate the practical implications of letting immigrants in?

I do.

Do you think that the practical impact is over exaggerated?

I do.

do you think that it is irrelevant and that we could let in 1 million people next week tuesday

There wont be 1 million refugees coming to the Uk next Tuesday - it's a logistical impossibility.

and by saturday they will all be sorted out with no problems?

We'd need some radical solutions to ensure the consequences are managed appropriately.

 

[Rroff]

And I won't argue that it is a nice ideal.

But it's a fairy tale. Utopian dreams are just that. Dreams.

In this world of ours, there aren't just challenges to making this a reality, there are insurmountable obstacles.

You could, for example, poor as much of our wealth as you liked into Africa (we've been trying), or the ME, and the corrupt nature of those regions would guarantee the populace hardly saw any benefit. The elite would prosper, of course.

Do you think we (the west) can cure global corruption? Another dream! A nice one, but...

That side of it isn't insurmountable - just no one has the stomach to do what is required in the short term for the long term benefit (I'm not suggesting wipe them all out ).

Human nature is one of the most insurmountable obstacles - not enough people take responsibility is individuals for the greater good and until (if) that changes we can never have that kind of civilisation.

 

[marl]

The same as the man interviewed on TV this morning,he left his two little girls aged 4 & 7 back in Syria because it was dangerous to risk a boat across to Greece would I even think of leaving my kids if we were all in mortal danger? no chance, we all escape together or die together.

Thousands of mostly men have swarmed across leaving women & children to face Isis alone presumably & now they are making threats & demands for this, demands for that, throwing packs of bottled water on a railway track in protest at something or other.
Who are these people? don't suppose many have passports,there could be hundreds of Isis killers hiding amongst them for all we know & instead of refugee camps they all want to go & where & when they want
In reality it's turned into the biggest gold rush of all time as they all now want to live in Europe where they see the standard of living compared to theirs & if nothing is done half of North Africa will be heading to our shores.

He wasn't a refugee, he was an opportunistic economic migrant, like the vast majority of those we see in the MSM daily.

Yeah, that's what I thought... Where will this end, because as soon as they get established here they'll be fighting to bring in their familes....

 

[Deleted member 66701]

And I won't argue that it is a nice ideal.

But it's a fairy tale. Utopian dreams are just that. Dreams.

The dreamers of today create the world of tomorrow.

Realists just hold the world back.

In this world of ours, there aren't just challenges to making this a reality, there are insurmountable obstacles.

No obstacle is insurmountable.

You could, for example, poor as much of our wealth as you liked into Africa (we've been trying), or the ME, and the corrupt nature of those regions would guarantee the populace hardly saw any benefit. The elite would prosper, of course.

Quite. Pooring [sic] money in isn't the solution.

Do you think we (the west) can cure global corruption?

Yes.

 

[ImMrChris]

let me ask one question, if you all had £10 and 5 kids with a a meal costing £2 each and there were starving kids not yours beside you, would you feed the others over yours?

that is basically whats happening just on a grander scale!

dont give me all the rubbish about i would share out the meals because there will come a time when you cannot share anymore and you'll have to let people die who do you choose to go first ?

 

[Deleted member 66701]

let me ask one question, if you all had £10 and 5 kids with a a meal costing £2 each and there were starving kids not yours beside you, would you feed the others over yours?

that is basically whats happening just on a grander scale!

dont give me all the rubbish about i would share out the meals because there will come a time when you cannot share anymore and you'll have to let people die who do you choose to go first ?

My children aren't going to starve because we help a couple of hundred thousand refugees.

 

[Rroff]

And? Are you embarassed about our past?

I'm embarrassed about our past - some of the stuff done in the name of the empire makes even the Nazis look like saints but somehow we got away with it (I say we - but I don't take personal responsibility for the sins of my fathers - I do take responsibility not to repeat them) however I'm also embarrassed of what the country has turned into - instead of learning from and building on that past we've turned into a largely weak and spineless nation with upcoming generations increasingly short sighted in outlook and chasing superficial dreams.

 

[ImMrChris]

someone will go without like cancer patients for instance as we cant afford to pay for their meds!

 

[Deleted member 66701]

someone will go without like cancer patients for instance as we cant afford to pay for their meds!

Changed your theoritical scenario already?

Keep going..........