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The EU Migrant Crisis
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Oh, forgot this was Overclockers GD!
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I concur.
Whether it's a refugee crisis, a migrant crisis or a combination of both - it still needs solving.
A refugee finds an immediate safe place to settle at the behest of a close neighbour (Turkey, Lebanon).
A migrant goes to the furthest place they can find because its wealthier.
If we had taken refugees from the start of the lolarab spring, then maybe there wouldn't be a discussion, but we didn't...so.
A migrant goes to the furthest place they can find because its wealthier.
If we had taken refugees from the start of the lolarab spring, then maybe there wouldn't be a discussion, but we didn't...so.
you stop being a refugee once you enter a safe country and your motivation to carry on stops being danger and becomes for economic purposes ie country Z has better benefits than country A.
also the majority of these "refugees" are the wealthy ones able to afford to pay traffickers the true people in poverty have no option of escape they can not afford it. hell even a lot of british people won't have a few K laying around they could use to pay traffickers if they ever needed to escape
that's why all these "refugees" have mobile phones with gps routes they are following.
you think some poor person in syria has the luxury of a mobile phone?
Most of them won't even be from syria
If you are from syria then sweden will take you anyway
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Amiga, you didn't answer any of the points in my last post
What cast-iron guarantee is there that these migrants won't become part of our poor underclass? What guarantee is there that they won't be exploited as cheap labour? Housed in sub-standard accommodation with mildewy walls, damp, over-crowding, etc.
You know that a significant number of people in this country already live in what we could call slums?
Could they not become part of our discontented underclass, disillusioned and angry at this country, as so many of our own people are?
I understand that, however given racial, religious tensions it is not beyond the imagination to understand that people might move through countries or territories to find better safety.
Wait, what? You think 'wealthy' refugee's travel on rafts across oceans because they have money? Do you think before you type?
These people do not have money, certainly not near enough to travel comfortable.
Also; source for 'these wealthy refugees'?
Yep, because they only sell mobile phones in select countries.
Also; source for 'all these refugees having phones'?
Poor people all over the world have access to mobile phones?
Source?
Amiga, you didn't answer any of the points in my last post
What cast-iron guarantee is there that these migrants won't become part of our poor underclass? What guarantee is there that they won't be exploited as cheap labour? Housed in sub-standard accommodation with mildewy walls, damp, over-crowding, etc.
You know that a significant number of people in this country already live in what we could call slums?
Could they not become part of our discontented underclass, disillusioned and angry at this country, as so many of our own people are?
The government would change how it measures poverty (again) and claim that there is no problem with poverty.
We are talking about people smuggling here... you really think they care about "quality of service" ?
Come on Tummy...
Also, wealthy in their terms is strictly middle class in ours.
Read the newspapers, these criminal people smuggling gangs don't work for free - I've read articles suggesting it costs $2,000 to get a place on a boat from Libya to Italy. These migrants don't lack money - they lack the right to travel to Europe.
Amiga, you didn't answer any of the points in my last post
What cast-iron guarantee is there that these migrants won't become part of our poor underclass? What guarantee is there that they won't be exploited as cheap labour? Housed in sub-standard accommodation with mildewy walls, damp, over-crowding, etc.
You know that a significant number of people in this country already live in what we could call slums?
Could they not become part of our discontented underclass, disillusioned and angry at this country, as so many of our own people are?
It'd be quite nice to have a bunch of people willing to stand up to our government rioting in the streets when their benefits get cut etc
but I don't ever see them identifying as british and being all multicultural.
asains from pakistan etc have been here for generations and you still have your all asian areas where only about 10% of the population seems to be other races and they all speak their own language rather than english unless they are speaking to an english person.
anyone who thinks these imigrants are going to adopt the british way of life and spread out across the country is smoking crack, it will be a few councils that have them and they won't be given the resources they need since they don't have enough resources for the people they have already living in their cities.
at the rate we are going austerity will still be in place in a few generations time
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It's debatable whether Turkey or Lebanon now constitutes a "safe" place looking at the awful conditions in some of the refugee camps and Turkey's inability to process asylum claims.
You're not wrong there.
No, of course they do not. However because a family can afford to pay criminals to smuggle them (risking their lives, their families lives) in to another country does not mean they are wealthy? They might well have barely being able to afford to pay the criminals or worse be in debt?
Human trafficking is horrifying.
If these refugee's had wealth, surely travelling would not be the problem?
Some of them cost money I'd struggle to raise in a year or two... I suspect though a certain amount is due to people who have managed to make it to a western country and make a life for themselves now sending money for family to pay to join them.
It is if you as said refugee must not travel with documents identifying who you are.
You cant take a passport with you.
you want a source go watch some interviews with refugees in calais or wherever, even bbc reporters have been told about the thousands of dollars people spend to get that far.
you think some wealthy syrian can just board a jet and head to the uk ignoring borders? are you on crack?
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