The EU Migrant Crisis

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Vidar said:
$1,268,100,000,000 was spent last year alone on defence by just the top 15 countries in the world including the UK. Fact.

A 10% reduction of that amount would generate $126,810,000,000; enough money to eradicate extreme poverty from the planet. Fact!

Is this idealistic, yes of course it is... there is no will for this to happen by our political leaders and while I'm not suggesting that defence is not important, it is of course. The fact remains that by in reducing expenditure in this area by 10% would solve one global problem, another 5% or 10% and you still have enough money to successfully develop new weapons technologies etc and fund your military exploits yet now you have a truly monumental amount of money available that can be put to ending this refugee crisis that we are partly but still directly responsible for causing! Fact!
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Nice big numbers... doesn't stop ISIS though, so the situation is not improved.
 
billysielu said:
You don't get to move to any country you like because there's a war in your country. You go to the nearest safe country.
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Actually, yes you do.

You go to the nearest safe country initially but whilst there you can choose the country you wish to claim asylum in.*


*Assuming the country you're in and the country you wish to claim asylum in are signed up to the UNHCR statutes.
 
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Ask the people who are travelling to Germany, pretty sure it's working for them.

Anyone claiming that if the roles were reversed they would ignore the wall to wall news coverage of Germany seemingly wanting these people there and instead choose to stay in Turkey, out of some sort of sense of needing to be a good refugee/migrant is probably a liar.
 
OldCoals said:
But people fleeing Syria are fleeing a war zone.
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Turkey isn't a war zone.

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billysielu said:
No. If you're in a safe country your asylum application will be rejected because you're no longer in immediate danger.
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Incorrect.

To be recognised as a refugee, you must:

1: be unable to go back to your own country (if you’re stateless, this is the country you usually live in) because you fear persecution
2: be unable to live safely in any part of your own country
3: have failed to get protection from authorities in your own country
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The above doesn't change if you make it to a safe haven (also, you don't suddenly stop being a refugee and become a migrant if you leave the safe haven - you remian a refugee - at least in the eyes of the UK government. Incidently, even if they reach the UK and successfully claim asylum, they still remain a refugee until such time as they can safely return to thier own country).

Under the UNHCR statutes, when applying for asylum once in the safe haven, you don't have to apply for asylum in that country - you can choose the country you wish to claim asylum with.
 
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Lord-Jaffa said:
Turkey isn't a war zone.
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Two problems with that map:

Most do stop as soon as they reach the first country they come to. Turkey has taken in 1.8 million refugees and is obviously reaching bursting point.

Secondly, as already pointed out in this thread, the map is inaccurate. Try telling the people of eastern Ukraine that there's no war where they live.
 
Tunney said:
Two problems with that map:

Most do stop as soon as they reach the first country they come to. Turkey has taken in 1.8 million refugees and is obviously reaching bursting point.

Secondly, as already pointed out in this thread, the map is inaccurate. Try telling the people of eastern Ukraine that there's no war where they live.
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The boat people aren't going to eastern Ukraine though.
 
Tunney said:
Two problems with that map:

Most do stop as soon as they reach the first country they come to. Turkey has taken in 1.8 million refugees and is obviously reaching bursting point.

Secondly, as already pointed out in this thread, the map is inaccurate. Try telling the people of eastern Ukraine that there's no war where they live.
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Also, most of the refugee camps are in the Turkish conflict zone on the Syrian border - no wonder refugees don't feel safe there.
 
SciNeT said:
Did someone mention ISIS? This guy's changed his mind though, r-r-right?


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Not even convinced that's the same guy tbh. But ISIS have said they've sent people with the migrants so that's a technicality.

I mention ISIS because someone proposed a solution to the problem by cutting defense budgets - but that solution doesn't solve the problem because ISIS still cause people to leave Syria.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Turkey isn't a war zone.
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Spot on. There's no war or food shortage in Turkey. Plus it's a muslim country more aligned with these peoples culture, why risk it all to get to the infidels' western lands, presumably ultimately the UK, with it's taxpayer funded free housing, free schooling, free healthcare, free welfare, free... ahh.... wait a minute..
 
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