The EU Migrant Crisis

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Tephnos said:
Saw on the link amiga provided, it's 257. A very modest number (but the country is tiny, mind you). However this is 2014, need the stats for what they're doing here and now.

I imagine they'll side with Slovakia on being against Merkel when the central European members draw up their oppositional stance, as Slovenia is largely a very Christian country like Slovakia, from what I recall.

http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e48e096.html
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We wont know those numbers until the end of the year - you're probably best trying to find a source from withing the country - a Slovenian news outlet for example.
 
amigafan2003 said:
We wont know those numbers until the end of the year - you're probably best trying to find a source from withing the country - a Slovenian news outlet for example.
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Slovenes I know don't really have any idea what's the stats either, except that the majority of people are saying 'carry on through to Hungary; we're full.'
 
Skunkworks said:
Not sure if this story is legit or not, but what is certain is that the migrants are becoming more confident and belligerent. Take the ones at Calais for example, not even being covert any more, just trying to brute force their way in.

Something is going to kick-off somewhere.
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"Incidents like these show that many of the “asylum seekers” coming to Europe are extremely religious. It is clear on which side they stand when it comes to Free Speech, freedom of religion, violence and non-Islamic authoritie"

Again exactly what I've been saying, take in a bunch of volatile highly religious people who more often than not condemn a western way of life and it's values.

Germany, enjoy the mess you are about to inflict on everyone else....

Tephnos said:
Ahhh Farage. He's right though.
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People often accuse farage of being stupid, he seems highly intelligent to me.... maybe some of stuff he has said is off the hook. But you know who I think is far more stupid? the 20 something year olds with all the moral self congratulation on Facebook who are themselves completely blind to the facts. The great thing is we'll all be the ones wiping up this mess, well I won't because I will get out of the EU.

We just need to look at history so far with immigration and how well it's been working (Tip: Pretty badly....)
 
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Tephnos said:
Slovenes I know don't really have any idea what's the stats either, except that the majority of people are saying 'carry on through to Hungary; we're full.'
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If I was a refugee I wouldn't want to settle in Slovenia or Slovakia (but then I wouldn't particulary want to settle in France either!).

Slovakia and Slovenia have both imposed the "strict" Schengen border ruleset, so that would explain why refugees aren't heading there.
 
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amigafan2003 said:
If I was a refugee I wouldn't want to settle in Slovenia or Slovakia (but then I wouldn't particulary want to settle in France either!).
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Oh yeah, from my time in Slovenia its an absolutely fantastic, beautiful country and the people are great - but they won't welcome radically different cultures like Islam at all.
 
Skunkworks said:
Not sure if this story is legit or not, but what is certain is that the migrants are becoming more confident and belligerent. Take the ones at Calais for example, not even being covert any more, just trying to brute force their way in.

Something is going to kick-off somewhere.
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It's a repost of an article from https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den_Korte_Avis which seems to be focused entirely on immigration stories, and has had to withdraw articles after the accuracy was challenged.

They seem to occupy the same sort of space as lots of other poor quality made-for-Facebook news outlets like Buzzfeed, The Huffington Post, Business Insider etc. in terms of how legitimate they can be considered.

Edit: Here's the Reuters source http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/08/20/uk-germany-asylum-suhl-idUKKCN0QP17L20150820
 
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SciNeT said:
It seems something positive could be emerging from all this migrant crisis BS, for the first time the exit Europe camp are ahead, 51% of people surveyed would vote OUT now. Every cloud eh. :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3223674/Britain-wants-quit-Europe-Shock-new-poll-shows-EU-no-camp-ahead-time-Cameron-prepares-face-Tory-rebels.html
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To be honest with you, I would have said no before, but now looking at the way Europe is pressuring people to just open their borders I'm more willing now more than ever to vote yes.
 
amigafan2003 said:
They were going to Greece as thier asylum claim for Canada had been mishandled by the Turkish authorities.

But sure, why not try and mis-represent it as "economic migration".
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Their claim for asylum in Canada was denied.

Do you say it was mis-handled because they didn't get what they wanted? The sister then told the father to go to Europe for a better life, and to get his teeth done.

So what part of that is not economic?
 
matdom said:
There you go you only wishing to temp help them and wash your hands of them later on and offload them onto others.
Why should they be helped and some people in this country that can't find homes to live in still sleep on the streets.
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With all due respect now you're just deliberately trying to bait me into an argument which has absolutely nothing to do with the points raised... The fact is if a crisis that causes refugees to stay in a host nation for a long enough time appropriate allocation of suitable housing will be made for them. In the interim to ease off on the use of detention centres etc etc people like myself would give a spare room up temporarily to help. We as a people are responsible however its our elected officials and government that should be acting. Human compassion though is human compassion and I would do whatever I could.

Have you ever stayed in a homeless hostel Mat? Let me assure you I have and I can tell you that the reason a lot of our natural homeless population is homeless due to falling through the cracks of the NHS and not receiving appropriate support. Not because foreigners are crushing the system but because the NHS fails a lot of people thanks to red tape. Some homeless only ever try to get help staying in hostels during winter months, apart from that in my personal experience I know several who actually seem to prefer living rough and leave hostels as soon as the weather improves.

Again a separate but by no means a less important issue. To answer your inevitable next question though, would I house someone with alcohol, drug abuse or with a myriad of mental health issues. No not because I'm a bleeding heart or don't think they're as valuable as a refugee but because I'm not trained to deal with people who've got those issues. And yes if I invited a refugee into my home I might come across those issues, its possible but the chances are they're just someone who is of sound mind and body who was forced to flee there own country and for a short time needs to rely on the kindness of strangers.
 
Caged said:
It's a repost of an article from https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den_Korte_Avis which seems to be focused entirely on immigration stories, and has had to withdraw articles after the accuracy was challenged.

They seem to occupy the same sort of space as lots of other poor quality made-for-Facebook news outlets like Buzzfeed, The Huffington Post, Business Insider etc. in terms of how legitimate they can be considered.
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May be, but you don't have to look very far to find other stories. There will also be a whole lot more once the dust begins to settle I believe.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/vi...house-four-refugee-families-immediately-video
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The thing is though, I hear a lot of this but don't see much evidence ever. Everyone loves to put on a feel good show, then you don't see much if anything occur. The pope recently saying everyone should house a migrant, then you find out the info and the church are taking in 2. It was on reddit.
 
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