Being forced back into W/C it seems?

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I am only having a rant - not happy? I dont care, dont read it. I only dotn this for myself really

I started to get heavily into Water cooling way back when the P4 was the main heater in the home, and I was really clocking the naughty bits off the old setups, but I think that the Q6600 was the last CPU that I bothered to clock, and to be completely honest, CPUs are so fast, and have been for some time, that I feel that clocking is just mostly unecessary, so I have simply stopped doing it.

I am kind of gutted that I have got rid of my old bits now.

Recently, I have got into the simpler basic enclosed CPU only setups as they offer a nice little compromise of having good cooling + water + simplicity and of course much less chance of me messing it up and leaking the bloody water everywhere and killing my brand new 8800 even though I couldsmell somethign for hours before it did go pop ( ahem )

But anyway, I have bought a few of the enclosed setups, a couple of Corsairs, and a nice Alpenholm or whatever the hell it is, plus even a cheap and nasty cool-it that for just £25 was ever ybit as good as the Corsair H80 which was a big surprise, but anyway, I have been toying with the AMD 9590 today... a CPU taht quite frankly should be banned as being the most horrible thing to buy since the Celeron.

Now, the Alphenholm is what is in the 8350 system, and its keeping that at a fairly comfy 33c under load 24/7 and so thats great. I plopped in the 9590 and I dont even get to the desktop before it shuts down? After much checking, I burn my fingers on the Radiator, and the dangerously soft pipes are not filling me with confidence either, so, after letting them cool down, I power on and get right into the BIOS and go straight to the temp monitors only to see it go 63, 64 up to 70c and then it goes off... Seemingly at the 71c mark.

I make doubly sure the CPU is seated right and the block is sat comfy and the TIM is plastered nicely etc and I just cannot stop it from practically putting a gun to its head every time I try to start it.

So, I decided to try a small experiment...

I have a few Radiators upstairs, a double, and a 2x2 Quad Radiator that is for the TT Mozart TX too ,and so while using them, might push the pump a tad, I need to try something just for now, to get that sodding CPU to at least run enough for me to get to the desktop and have a play for a bit.

I decide to sacrifice the CoolIT... ( ARGH! - I should have checked the size of the pipes first before introducing the Stanley knife ) but not worries, thats why they invented punture repair kits and glue LOL.

So, anyway, after much acting like I know what I am doing, and filling the huge 4x120mm radiator with water an Ford Focus pink coolant ( all I got so leave me alone - and its probably placebo anyway ) and also the pump block and its pipes too, I manage to wedge the pipes onto the rad, and with very minimal air too, and I use the puncture repair kit to strengthen the seal with more rubber before using a couple of cable ties to pinch it closed each end, I think its ok...

I start it up out of a case and it pumps just fine for a good few minutes, so I chuck it into a PC case, only to realise that the radiator needs to go OUTSIDE the case... Stuff it, its too late for details now, so I just sellotape it so it does not go anywhere ( bobs got nothing on me ) and I start her up and shoot straight into the BIOS again and this time I see 52c as the first temp rather than 63 so it seems to be definitely a bit better, but then the temps creep up still... It does however float at 66/67c

I resetart it and let windows come on, and it gets there, and speedfan is now showing 70 and then 69, so its borderline.

I run Dawn of War to try to play the game asnd it powers itself off!

Anyway, it was only a small experiment and it did the job, and its clear that I have 2 choices for this setup.

Splash out on a whole decent and proper Water cooling setup, or get rid of the 9590 and stick with the 8350?

Its a simple choice really... After all... This is NO longer my main PC, I would be much better off leaving it as is and gettign my money back for the 9590 instead.

So thats what I have done.

I am sure that I still have a pump or two and I am also sure I have a resevoir, but IIRC they are odd sizes...10 and 12mil I think, so I might knock up a W/C system with what I have left, but Im not wasting money on it.

I have spent just over 2 grand this last month on PC bits and if the wife only knew just how much, I would be killed and buried under the patio - brookside style.
 
Seriously? Air On the 9590?

I am up for that, of course I am, but what cooler would you suggest for this then?
I could post about it actually, I will have a look if anyone else hs asked recently?
 
"under the patio - brookside style"

jeez showing your age a bit lol.
After 2 water pumps dieing on me and the first killing 1 of the GTX295's and the second pump screwing my mobo i went back to air.. good luck
 
It seems like you tried to put the square block in the circle hole, found it didn't work and then tried the triangle, pentagon and hexagon.

After that didn't work you broke the hole so everything would fit and decided that you no longer needed to fit anything in the hole.

I'm not sure what you were trying to achieve but I don't think adding more rad space was the only solution. I it's possible your mobo, PSU or cpu block could have been at fault.
 
Shurrup about brookie and my age! LOL

As for the rest, these mini water setups are all very well, but I feel they are not for any serious work are they? They seem to be more so people can claim having Water cooling, but without the headaches or the real thing.

Admittedly, I have 3 of them so Im the same, and they have served me perfectly well for a plain jane setup, but the 9590 is just a seriously hot bugger.

Hell, I remember my last P4 was as hot as Lava and it was fine to run ilke that! - oh how times have changed eh?
 
I have been running a 9590 for about a year now and at first I had my loop of 2x 240m Rads going thu both CPU and GPU. Very quickly I noticed that the water could not cool as fast as they both heated up. In the end I bought an air cooled 780Ti and used all the cooling for the CPU. Never had it rise over 58c since and thats in an ambient room temp of 32c.

Chip may be hot but it doesnt slack when it comes to performce for the £.
 
No, the AMD is not my main PC and so I have no real need to clock it.

I would prefer to use the 9590 and that way I can plop the 8350 into my Media Center to replace the 1090T Hex core in there now ( Over kill or what? )

I only want to run stuff at stock. No need for anything any faster really is there? not for my spare PCs anyway.

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Just a small note, but I find it quite funny, that people slate AMDs now, because their top CPU does not come close to Intels top CPU, and yet, 9 out of 10 times, the same people who just slate AMD off because of that fact, end up buying a mid-range intel after all!

Plus, while on a benchmark, or when putting 2 PCs head top head, you can often see the Intel run a game faster than the AMD does, but that means absolutely nothing when the AMD is playing it 2 or even 3 times faster than anyones eye could even possibly notice any flicker or and real lag at all!

Lets be honest, but are there any games out there that cannot be played on any half decent CPU from either side?

I mean, I keep on doing the same thing every time... I have just bought myself my new Intel setup and it will be replacing my 8350 ( The 9590 was supposed to do that )
The 8350 replaced the 970 i7
The 970 replaced the 930
the 930 replaced the AMD Hex Core

I could go on for a number of otgher systems that I still own, but when I actually boil it all down to the nitty-gritty, I have a 950 AMD Quad Core 3.2 Ghz that I have just recently refurbished and I threw BF4 onto that for a giggle, and it played it with zero flickers or issues of any kind... Other than the HD was about 500 years old.

Why the hell do I keep upgrading when the stuff I have works just great?

I bet we all do it.
 
Ok what about clocking the 9590 to 4.5ghz which will be less volts, so will run cooler.

yep true about amd-intel there only 5-10 fps difference most of the top or intel have better mins than amd, but most of the time it's just the way the game is ported.

Anyway what WC stuff have you found yet to make a loop.
 
To be honest id either get a closed wc like a corsair h110i GT or kraken x61 which are 280mm radiators. You could do a cheap custom loop but it would be more expensive and the closed loops aint half bad either.
 
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" I plopped in the 9590 " theres your problem, I heard that thing has 200W + TDP, guess it was a 120mm AIO you put it on ?

I wouldn't use those all in one coolers unless it was a mITX build with a case where watercooling is not practical


I thought you were going to say you were forced into watercool because you bought a Fury X and had the defect
 
fx63007850 said:
Ok what about clocking the 9590 to 4.5ghz which will be less volts, so will run cooler.
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Go figure?

fx63007850 said:
Anyway what WC stuff have you found yet to make a loop.
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The rubbish kit I do have, is in my Attic.
I cannot get into there any more cos I am incapable of getting up stairs these days, so I have to ask the kids to get me stuff, and thats a waste of time... They're Bone idle.


tyler_jrb said:
To be honest id either get a closed wc like a corsair h110i GT or kraken x61 which are 280mm radiators. You could do a cheap custom loop but it would be more expensive and the closed loops aint half bad either.
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The H110i is supposed to be a nice enough setup that will do the job, however, my case does not allow the use of that radiator.

I was thinking of getting another case, and I have recently bought a Corsair Carbide that I am sure will accomodate it, but in the end, I am not entirely sure.

I have decided to go AIR and I have got myself a Noctua.


Ash0787 said:
" I plopped in the 9590 " theres your problem, I heard that thing has 200W + TDP, guess it was a 120mm AIO you put it on ?

I wouldn't use those all in one coolers unless it was a mITX build with a case where watercooling is not practical


I thought you were going to say you were forced into watercool because you bought a Fury X and had the defect
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Yup, I did assume the Alpenfolm ( God, I never remember WTF it is ) was a good one. Its much better than the H80 anyway, when I compared them.

As for their use, I have a few of them, all different flavours, and they have done a perfect job in the PCs that I got them for. It is only the 9590 that is the first time, they have failed to do the job. I wrongly assumed that it would be ok, because I have had the 8350 clocked to hell and back and I have ramped the volts up silly high, and I ahve NEVER had any temp issues before... I knew the 9590 would get warm, but for it to fail as quickly as it did do, was just shocking to me.

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Lets not pretend anything here... I know the AIO units are low level, I did however assume that they were a step above Air. I have not had to buy anything Air for some time... Not new anyway... I am quite behind in cooling because I have given up clocking for some years now, other than a quick play about on a new CPU for a giggle, and then I run it at stock, so its not really been anything that I have much cared for!

When I bought the 8350, I got the AlpenMuseli. When I got the 970 I7 I got the Corsair H60 ( or the 50 ) and the 8250 or whatever that was, I got the 50 or the 60 and then for a giggle, I got a couple of other cheap and nasties purely for the kicks cos they would look nice in a windowed case etc, but I never once thought that they would EVER be even close to proper watercooling. Would I call these bad cooling though? No, not at all. They are very good for basic cooling, and they dont weigh a ton and so wont try to crack your motherboard by hanging half a ton of metal off the CPU clips... Unlike this frigging noctua looks like its going to do! LOL
 
One small note too!

The PC is now on its side, and I will be putting it together shortly... Just got to get the ferrets all into their cages so teh missus can go to bed.

But I have had a look at the Noctua and the middle fan, is slightly bigger... Still has the 120mm sized connections, so I can swap the fans, but the middle fan is catching on the heatsink. I dont like that one bit.

The colour, I notice that loads of people moan, but Im looking at the Mobo that I am lobbing it onto, and its the Sabretooth 990FX R2.0 and the colours of this cooler seem to be made for this board.

Its the NH-D14 by the way. I am a tad annoyed that I got this when there is a D-15 out there.
 
FatRakoon said:
Its the NH-D14 by the way. I am a tad annoyed that I got this when there is a D-15 out there.
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I recently bought the D15 to replace a custom water loop, awesome beast, it can keep a six core i7 cool under load and remain quieter than a D5 pump at idle. The isn't really much performance difference between the D14/15, the changes to the 15 were mostly convenience (better ram height compatibility) and the 15cm fan instead of the 14cm ones making it slightly quieter.


FatRakoon said:
But I have had a look at the Noctua and the middle fan, is slightly bigger... Still has the 120mm sized connections, so I can swap the fans, but the middle fan is catching on the heatsink. I dont like that one bit.
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If the middle fan is catching then it's either fitted wrong or there's a physical problem with the fan or heatsink. Don't swap the fans out, noctua make the best ones going.
 
ubersonic said:
it can keep a six core i7 cool under load and remain quieter than a D5 pump at idle.
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I got a cheap and nasty Cool-It on my Six Core I7 and its stone cold.
I only paid £29 for that and its a cheap and nasty AIO but it is doing a beautiful job to be fair.... That PC is still sat behind me cos my son has not yet chucked it up into the attic, but I am more than happy to do you some pictures and find out the temps etc if you need me to?

ubersonic said:
If the middle fan is catching then it's either fitted wrong or there's a physical problem with the fan or heatsink. Don't swap the fans out, noctua make the best ones going.
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Yes, the packaging is very good, plenty of cardboard cushining with those boxes, and then the main package the delivery was in, was also fairly good too, the coolers box is imagulate so its not been crushed or anything, however, I have taken the fans out... You need to to fit the thing anyway, and I have gently pulled the radiators apart a tiny tiny bit and this has cured it.

The plan is, for me to plop it into the Sabretooth 990FX Board and thats got some brown bits in it also, so the brown fans will go just fine in there.
Many people have commented on the colour of Noctua stuff as being shi...erm... not good, but I like it and as I said, it goes with the Mobo.
 
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