Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

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Ooooooooh what's this?

Another poll you say?

TNS put YES at 53% and No at 47%?

This seems to becoming a regular occurrence does it not?

Those unionists are going to be greetin into their porridge you say!
 
Uther said:
I think the crunch will come if England votes to leave the EU, and tries to drag Scotland and Wales with it.
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I am fair looking forward to that. With a bit of luck England will vote to leave and Scotland will vote to stay. A new Independence referendum before the end of 2016? Quite possibly! Lovely.
 
Yep likewise, I hope this happens. RUK can get on being even more isolated with it's Daily Mail fans.

When Scotland becomes independent again the EU will welcome Scotland and companies from RUK will be relocating to Scotland in their droves and will be most welcome.
 
Heh, you might want to see how things play out before throwing your lot in with the EU :p

Being (a little more) isolated from the potential meltdown on the continent isn't such a bad thing...
 
As mentioned earlier in the thread. Scotland wouldn't be allowed into the EU if independant until its economy completely fails, which it would. Very quickly.

Germany swoop in to act the hero, there you go Scotland, you are no longer the whipping boys, but Ze Vhipping Junge. You will also find this union to be a lot harder to escape.
 
lovelyhead said:
I'll have whatever he's smoking!
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Non smoker ;) but nice try with the personal digs, I give it a 2/10.
I'm all for the idea of the Scots wanting to be their own masters, but I could only ever get properly behind it when I see enough proof they are capable of it. I currently don't, nowhere remotely close.

I kept an eye on the whole thing, to see if it brought the idea to Northern Ireland. I'm still not convinced that the entire reason behind the fanatical desire of independance is anything more than "get it up ye, english ********". Most likely embedded in people who knew nothing about history by the film Braveheart.

There you go Lovelyhead, the opinion of a Northern Irishman, who cares not about a union, but for common sense and the state of the already not brilliant economy.
 
why is this thread still going?
they wont have another referendum for many years... cant we just start a new thread then??
 
Mark3h said:
I'm all for the idea of the Scots wanting to be their own masters, but I could only ever get properly behind it when I see enough proof they are capable of it. I currently don't, nowhere remotely close.
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Is it the too wee, too stupid or too poor argument you are going with? Or perhaps a combination of the three?

May I just remind you that Scotland is the third biggest contributor towards UK GDP behind only London and the South East. No one doubts that Scotland would be able to run it's own affairs apart from random nutters on the internet. Even the better together campaign said that we would probably be fine.

cainer said:
why is this thread still going?
they wont have another referendum for many years... cant we just start a new thread then??
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Stop reading and posting on this thread if it annoys you so much. It's not hard! P.S. a referendum in 2016/2017 is a real possibility!
 
Jokester said:
Indeed, and what with this migrant crisis engulfing the EU, an increasing likely outcome of a UK vote to leave the EU.
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A lot of nationalists see the opportunity the EU referendum brings. If England vote to leave and we vote to stay, it is game on in a big way. I think the odds of a YES vote in a second referendum would be much higher as I am sure there would be many Scots who would rather be part of the EU in an independent Scotland versus being outside of the EU in the UK.

We only need 6% more than the first referendum. The polls are showing we have already surpassed that.
 
lovelyhead said:
A lot of nationalists see the opportunity the EU referendum brings. If England vote to leave and we vote to stay, it is game on in a big way. I think the odds of a YES vote in a second referendum would be much higher as I am sure there would be many Scots who would rather be part of the EU in an independent Scotland versus being outside of the EU in the UK.

We only need 6% more than the first referendum. The polls are showing we have already surpassed that.
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It would be in your interests then for 51% to vote "stay in EU" and 49% to vote "leave EU" :p Then you could make sure we leave, whilst being entitled to argue that Scotland didn't want to :p
 
lovelyhead said:
Is it the too wee, too stupid or too poor argument you are going with? Or perhaps a combination of the three?
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None of the above. Those points are better suited to Northern Ireland than Scotland.

Had the price of oil stayed where it was in the build up to the vote, you could have easily floated your economy along.
Regardless of what the SNP claim, the oil was not a bonus source of income, it was the majority source of income. Running a countrys economy off something so unpredictible is risky at best. Just ask Norway.

Fast forward to now, you got a fraction of the oil you thought you would get, with the drop in price too. It just wasn't a viable source of funds.

Frankly, the No vote was the best outcome for the moment. It gives you time to better prepare for any future referendums.

As for what the polls show. They also showed at the time, the yes vote would win, polls aren't votes. Easier to get the result you want.
 
Mark3h said:
As for what the polls show. They also showed at the time, the yes vote would win, polls aren't votes. Easier to get the result you want.
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Out of 69 polls conducted in 2014, only 4 showed the YES campaign with more than 45% of the vote.

65 out of those 69 polls showed the YES campaign at 45% or less. So what you are trying to argue is actually the complete opposite to reality.
 
Ireheart said:
Yes but when Scotland would have left the UK, they would have left the EU and Salmond wanted to join straight back into the EU. Swapping one master for another.
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Let's say for simplicity sakes that Scotland had 30 laws.
10 legislated by the Scottish government
10 legislated by the EU
10 legislated by Westminster

Now, if you remove the Westminster layer the ability to legislate then you end up with 20 laws being legislated for at the Scottish level and still 10 at the EU level.

Does that mean Scotland has more, less or the same degree of sovereignty?

I can't believe I'm having to explain this as though I was talking to a 7 year old.
 
Mark3h said:
Non smoker ;) but nice try with the personal digs, I give it a 2/10.
I'm all for the idea of the Scots wanting to be their own masters, but I could only ever get properly behind it when I see enough proof they are capable of it. I currently don't, nowhere remotely close.
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What is unique about Scotland or the people of Scotland that makes us incapable of governing ourselves like every other small nation on the planet?

This should be good.
 
Never mind Scotland having another vote as to whether they stay in or not. Turn the tables, lets have an England, Wales and NI vote as to whether we kick them out. I can guarantee they'd hate that but it would play into SNP hands perfectly, the Evil English booting us out of the UK blah blah blah.

Let them run their own country for a few months, there'd be a hell of a lot of immigration that year.
 
ThePirateHulk said:
What is unique about Scotland or the people of Scotland that makes us incapable of governing ourselves like every other small nation on the planet?

This should be good.
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The same problem that many other small nations face. Lack of a stable and dependable income. All comes back to money.

As for what is unique about Scotland? Absolutely nothing.
 
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