• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

Private equity to buy 20 per cent of AMD

Depends on how much money AMD get out of this deal, if its enough to satisfy their R&D requirements to get back on top then AMD should be ok.
 
fs123 said:
They won't. IF AMD doesn't control the gpu division then they don't have any APU's.
Click to expand...

Well IF it did happen then AMD face all legal issues with no APUs and CPUs then the person you need to blame is Lisa Su who destroyed AMD.

AMD will never be the same it did to 3dfx and Commodore.
 
humbug said:
Depends on how much money AMD get out of this deal, if its enough to satisfy their R&D requirements to get back on top then AMD should be ok.
Click to expand...

As you know the problem was Amd never could compete in the manufacturing process inc supply,compared to Intel. Gf was a big hindrance to Amd for the 32nm process and the 28nm when Amd were transitioning over to Apu's. + All the mess of Amd and Gf paying for only decent dies etc. Don't need to repeat the years of failure from Amd but their Cpu's market share is how it is for a reason.

Over the last year it seems Samsung and Gf have worked together to provide a 14nm finfet resolution. R&d on Zen and the next gen gpu's have hopefully already been carried out, so Amd potentially look in a stronger position than I've seen in many years. The lack of die shrink hurt Amd the last 1.5 years in the gpu department but I can see them making up for it next year as they'll have similar performance and better thermals and power consumption on smaller dies.

As for the cpu department I'm still unsure they'll meet expectations but if they can deliver 2 tiers for mobile and desktop with sb-ib performance using around 150-200mm2 then they'll have a chance.
 
fs123 said:
They won't. IF AMD doesn't control the gpu division then they don't have any APU's.
Click to expand...

Why not?

If this is happening they have obviously come to some agreement. I just dont know how you can come to that conclusion without any insider knowledge. Please can you explain why RTG would not still work with AMD on their APU's.
:confused:

It seems to me that RTG is just a subsidiary operating under AMD, not a separate company. They have formed a group and got all the GPU production under one boss who has experience in this field...which makes a lot more sense. Hopefully they will have their own PR dept to avoid all the mistakes and misreporting like they did with the Fury launch. I personally think they are starting to finally get things together. :)
 
Last edited:
fs123 said:
They won't. IF AMD doesn't control the gpu division then they don't have any APU's.
Click to expand...
The only reason they would do this is to get around cross licensing agreements they have with Intel.

AMD must remain under their own ownership to continue their use of X86, if someone wanted to buy AMD they would have to split everything but the CPU part of themselves off.

That just wouldn't work for the reasons you gave, which is probably why AMD responded by saying its not going to happen.

At least not until the licensing agreement is up for renewal, Intel need AMD's X86_64 as much as AMD needs Intels X86, and from that basis is how the new contract should be negotiated.
 
Davedree said:
As you know the problem was Amd never could compete in the manufacturing process inc supply,compared to Intel. Gf was a big hindrance to Amd for the 32nm process and the 28nm when Amd were transitioning over to Apu's. + All the mess of Amd and Gf paying for only decent dies etc. Don't need to repeat the years of failure from Amd but their Cpu's market share is how it is for a reason.

Over the last year it seems Samsung and Gf have worked together to provide a 14nm finfet resolution. R&d on Zen and the next gen gpu's have hopefully already been carried out, so Amd potentially look in a stronger position than I've seen in many years. The lack of die shrink hurt Amd the last 1.5 years in the gpu department but I can see them making up for it next year as they'll have similar performance and better thermals and power consumption on smaller dies.

As for the cpu department I'm still unsure they'll meet expectations but if they can deliver 2 tiers for mobile and desktop with sb-ib performance using around 150-200mm2 then they'll have a chance.
Click to expand...

Yes ^^^^ agreed.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Yeah,looks like an internal reorganisation.
Click to expand...
Indeed. People claiming AMD is spinning off their graphics division are barking up completely the wrong tree. It's an internal reorg aimed, from what I can tell, at getting everyone involved in graphics technology at AMD pointing in the same direction with one person calling the shots.

imho that is a very good thing. Actual technology has not been a problem, Radeon GPUs are good, solid designs. But all to often in recent years AMD didn't seem to know what to do with them and the hardware engineering, software, PR, and dev rel teams all seemed to be following their own plans with no regard for anyone else. Hopefully Raja can bang some heads together, because AMD needs to fix their organisational short comings now if they are to make the most of what looks like a very strong product stack coming next year.
 
andybird123 said:
Have you looked at the one DX12 games bench thread?
It is not what I would call "superior" performance on AMD lol

all talk and no trousers as usual
Click to expand...

If you look at the lower, more affordable lines that most people buy I.e 390 / 970 them yer AMD do stand out as better performing but, and this is a big but, before you bite my head off, it's just one game and as an rts, not a very good one to judge true dx12 performance on either brand .
 
RTG is just an internal subsidiary of AMD. This is like the XBOX division is to Microsoft. It allows each part of the company to run more efficiently since it has its own VP and structure. Amazing how people think AMD has split all of a sudden.
 
AthlonXP1800 said:
PCWorld confirmed Radeon Technologies Group is a separate entity, separated GPU from AMD core business.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2981...gies-group-taps-raja-koduri-for-gpu-czar.html

Very interesting.
Click to expand...

Yep, subsidiary. As I said a few posts above.

"The company announced Wednesday morning that it was creating a new Radeon Technologies Group that would, essentially reconstitute ATI (the graphics company it acquired in 2006) inside of the CPU company."

Panic Over
:D
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom