Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible
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It is a term of derision that is used by many Scots. I certainly don't know any Scots who would openly admit to being a unionist apart from the usual orange order lunatics.
Yes it was. That time.
Given the bullying and nastiness of many of the SNP, I'm not surprised that many will not openly admit to being Unionists.
Indeed, and it's why the polls are dominated by rabid "we are the 45%" lunatics.
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Apart from me, please show me some evidence of bullying and nastiness coming from the SNP.
You'll find it is now closer to "we are the 50 - 55%". Just so you know. Ta ta.
I think you'd find a lot of soldiers would be very against that and would like the stay in the British army not become the Scotish defence force
So you'll be taking your share of the debt then?
As last time it was "iit's not Scotland debt" you can't have the toys the loans bought if you don't take your share of the loan.
It has everything to do with it. Or do you just not get it? If all the other parties have similar numbers, and the SNP get more votes, then that is extra voters, who didn't vote before, coming out to vote. That increases the percentage increase of the SNP vote, but does not equal a turn in opinion towards the SNP. Or do you just not get that?
I think we really would need another referendum to actually make that statement. Something your not going to get for some time with any luck. There will still only be the "45" who voted the wrong way in the referendum. Any percentage increase from there is voter apathy until another actual vote occurs.
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Good job they wouldn't have a choice then!
Of course we will. We have about 10% of the population so will take about 10% of the debt.
Your second sentence is pure fiction. The plan was always to take our fair share of the debt. Although legally speaking the debt is UK debt and wouldn't be Scottish debt if we became independent. That doesn't mean we weren't prepared to do the right thing though.
Maybe I'm tired but I can't make heads nor tails of what you have written there. When you talk about "numbers" are you talking about votes, voters or something else?
Again pure speculation. I bet you wouldn't be taking that line of argument if it were the unionists polling 50 - 55%!
Really, so the new, far superior Scotland now free of the yoke of Westminster would start off by forcing people into it's armed forces or forcing them to remain Scottish nationals even if they didn't wish to be.
I thought Conscription was a bad thing, it's something even the nasty people in Westminster haven't done for a long time.
The soldiers joined the British armed forces, not the Scottish ones, they just happen to be in the parts of the armed forces currently linked to Scottish roots (I don't think there is any requirement for you to be Scottish born to be in them for example).
If Scotland became independent the soldiers in those regiments would almost certainly, legally, have to be given the choice do they.
A: Become Scottish Citizens (I'm guessing not all will).
B: also wish to remain in the Armed forces now under the control of Holyrood.
What you're saying is that they would not get that choice at all - for a lot of career soldiers I suspect the prospect of being in a small armed force would not appeal, especially if (as would be likely given what the Yes Campaign have said it's role would be), their chosen career path within the armed forces would be severely curtailed or removed.
For example in the Navy most of the submariners (including those who may be Scottish) are unlikely to choose to work in a Navy where their specialist, hard earned skills are not something they can now use.
Or the likes of Aircraft techs who in the Scottish defence force would likely not have a job (IIRC the SNP/Yes Campaign's vision of an SDF doesn't include a lot of aircraft).
Or the 101 other skill sets that are involved in the modern armed forces.
So yeah, all the members of the Scottish regiments and Scottish members of other regiments are going to be overjoyed at being drafted into the new SSDF..
Errr why wouldn't they? They're employed by the British army, you can't just force people to quit their jobs and then conscript them into a different army.
Good point.
How would the Scots fund this army as well? Wouldn't they have to give back majority or purchase most of the equipment? Seeing as it belongs to the British Armed Forces.
Then there is the wages. I imagine they wouldn't be on par with what they are currently on.
Plus pensions etc.
I really can't see many troops wanting to basically be a border patrol given many join up for the adventure.
"Legally speaking" the British Army, Royal Air Force and Royal Navy men and equipment, from the SA80s to the Eurofighters are UK "property" and wouldn't be Scottish if you became independent. Along with a significant proportion of anything that wasn't bolted, concreted or chained down...
It's where the "not our debt" argument falls down. You can have it one way or the other, not both.
Shame for you that wasn't the number when there was a legally enforced referendum, rather than glorified straw polls.
Just because you shout the loudest doesn't mean you are the majority.
Most of the upper level Scottish politicians seem to be borderline pacifists anyhow (which somehow to my mind is decidedly anti-Scottish) a lot of them would rather there was no armed force at all and some kind of expectation that they could put the burden of defence onto another nation/entity like the UK (or whats left of it), US or NATO, etc. in the unlikely even if they were ever attacked.
He'll never understand this.
I still say it would be hilarious if they left. Got rid of their armed forces and the rest of the UK invaded.
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