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Indeed. Best news I've heard all week.
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Indeed. Best news I've heard all week.
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Corbyn is not Foot, and his policies are definitely not the same. Still, the elecorate did not vote for Brown, and they did not vote for Milliband, so what makes you think they would have voted for "yet another blairite" in the form of Cooper, Burnham or Kendall? At least with Corbyn we're actually trying something different, and we have someone who will actually challenge the tories on social and economic policy rather than just accepting their narrative.
LOL
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oosted-Corbyn-s-campaign-coffers-100-000.html
bit too easy though really - these days if you're going to get lots of T-Shirts produced at scale then you're quite likely to have a bunch of very under paid brown people making them in some poor country... and often in bad conditions
same thing with the 'this is what a feminist looks like' T-Shirts... produced by underpaid women in a third world country
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oosted-Corbyn-s-campaign-coffers-100-000.html
bit too easy though really - these days if you're going to get lots of T-Shirts produced at scale then you're quite likely to have a bunch of very under paid brown people making them in some poor country... and often in bad conditions
same thing with the 'this is what a feminist looks like' T-Shirts... produced by underpaid women in a third world country
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I don't get why some of you guys are going out your way to prove JC isn't well on the left.
Compared to where labour had been and is currently, he is left enough of the middle.
Public perception is he is left, party perception he is left, his policies are certainly a far cry from the middlist/right.
But through the whole campaign, he has stuck to his guns and I can respect that. This country needs him to bring some balance to the force.
Quite a few of my friends are labour supporters and they seem embarrassed he has won. I don't get that.
Compared to where labour had been and is currently, he is left enough of the middle.
Public perception is he is left, party perception he is left, his policies are certainly a far cry from the middlist/right.
But through the whole campaign, he has stuck to his guns and I can respect that. This country needs him to bring some balance to the force.
Quite a few of my friends are labour supporters and they seem embarrassed he has won. I don't get that.
Where was labour with Blair and so on?
As far as i was concerned New Labour had no identity to speak of, which is why after the party suffered from a serious image problem after Iraq/Afganistan and 2007/2008 financial meltery, they couldn't continue.
Id rather Labour never win again, but be a stong voice for worker rights and NHS reform.
Why is that hard to get?
They obviously don't think he is the best way forward for the Labour party.
I don't think the Tories will worry too much about his challenges. They know the people that vote for the Tories will not need to be persuaded that Corbyn's ideas aren't for them.
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That's just rubbish. The lunatics have been running the asylum since the justifiable demise of Blair. What has Labour actually achieved over the last decade when they gave two elections away and disillusioned many of it's traditional supporters that either didn't vote or went on to vote for somebody else? At least now there is a glimmer of hope of a new engagement with a new and returning electorate. If you are not happy with this then this is simply your choice and your loss. No disrespect intended.
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No but I bet they might be worried about the rest of the electorate that didn't vote for them
They're not going to suddenly unite behind Corbyn. The Green Party won't disappear overnight and many of the core UKIP voters won't switch to being lenient on migration, welfare and diversity. Pro-EU Scotland will also have a hard time following a eurosceptic, even if they were willing to consider not voting SNP.
The conservatives also know people will switch from Labour to them. Last election they used the SNP as a scare tactic to get votes in England, imagine what having Corbyn will do.
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This is a stunning result for the traditional party base, and arguably the most amazing political comeback in decades. To secure 59.5% of the vote in the first round is simply astonishing. It's a clear sign that the party wants to purge itself of the New Labour stench and get back to what it does best.
Miliband was a gutless, clueless wonder who never had the ideological credibility to challenge Cameron effectively. Corbyn will be a very different story; he's a true conviction politician of the old school.
Miliband was a gutless, clueless wonder who never had the ideological credibility to challenge Cameron effectively. Corbyn will be a very different story; he's a true conviction politician of the old school.
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No, but many on the left who voted for them might well be swayed back by a party they can get behind who can actually get elected.
UKIP doesn't have a core votership, they have protest votes.
I'm sorry, when did having very legitimate concerns about the abhorent treatment of Greece by the rest of the eurozone and actually wanting to push for much needed reforms within the EU without sacrificing our own rights turn Corbyn into a "eurosceptic"? I swear, a lot of people in here have really misinterpreted those remarks which is impressive considering he spoke very clearly on the matter.
https://youtu.be/YdilqTK0ixw?t=2m15s
Sorry, I have indeed misinterpreted his views on the EU. In which case supporting a "wider Europe with the free movement of people" as he puts it in the video won't get him a significant proportion of the UKIP vote unless he can convince people why Nigel Farage is wrong on that. Then again I wasn't expecting that, but he could potentially get the Labour defectors back.
...and yet he is so unlike Milliband? You'd expect him to sit back and take it like the former
I think, this time both you and the Tories will misunderstand the electorate.Just to illustrate your points here
Best political speech I have ever heard.
https://www.facebook.com/labourparty/videos/vb.25749647410/10153056543292411/?type=2&theater
no an opinion is "i think isis suck"
what you did was predict the outcome of the next few years.
see how theres no "i think" etc just a simple "here is what's going to happen" expressed with absolute certainty?
that's a prediction
not sure how this is a straw man you called someone mystic meg for taking a guess at the future i just pointed out you do it a lot too.
what you're doing is called hypocrisy, just for future reference, not straw man.
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They won't serve in a Corbyn cabinet because cabinet members have collective responsibility and are expected to back official party policy. If they can't agree to that, because of Corbyn's policies, they cannot and should not agree to serve on the front bench.
Back bench MPs, on the other hand, have a primary responsibility to represent the constituents that put them in Parliament, which in a representative democracy means exercising their judgement and are free to 'rebel' if need be.
Given that Corbyn is a prime example of rebelling, and voting his conscience rather than following the party line, if those MPs that won't agree to collective responsibility in a Corbyn government shouldn't be MPs, then Corbyn shouldn't have been an MP under various leaders for most or all of his Parliamentary career, in which case he shouldn't be in the Commons now, and therefore wouldn't be eligible to even stand as leader.
Of course those MPs should be MPs, just as Corbyn should. Why? Because they stood for election, their constituents voted for them and they won.
On the other hand, if those MPs won't back Corbyn policies, and other MPs agree, then Corbyn may struggle to maintain any form of party unity. Time will tell.
I cannot see how Corbyn has a hope of winning the next election. Until he and his supporters convince me they aren't going to treat the economy as a public toilet then I'd vote for anything but them. I think the Tory strat will be to create horror movies RE Corbyn's Islamic ties and just sit back. The only thing that worries me is Osbourne becoming leader.