I haven't seen a shred of evidence that he's 'friendly' with any of these groups. This is what I have seen:
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You should be more worried about Baroness Jenny Tonge.
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I haven't seen a shred of evidence that he's 'friendly' with any of these groups. This is what I have seen:
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You should be more worried about Baroness Jenny Tonge.
So you've not read this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rbyn-friend-to-Hamas-Iran-and-extremists.html
That's from the 28th of July. Here's what the Telegraph reported on the same day:
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He cooped some pushback for his comments, and had to retreat a bit. I wouldn't be surprised if he soft-peddles on this topic for a while until he can see which way the punters are leaning. But I'd definitely tip him as the first Labour leader to push for a Brexit.
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An article that claims he's had dealings with people and groups that are allegedly close to Hamas, the IRA, etc. Which is not exactly what you said earlier, is it? Also, sharing a platform with someone is not the same as being friends with them.
The one Palestinian group he is close to, is one that is explicitly opposed to anti-Semitism and enjoys at least one prominent Jewish supporter.
I think 'Won't anyone think of the pensions' needs to be as much a meme as 'Won't anyone think of the children'
He raises a valid point which is conveniently being ignored by the Corbyn supports or is killing of the financial stability of everyone a goal you all want?
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Another decade more like!!
Now that would be good!
Another election would be a decade... GE is in 5 years leading to another 5 year term for the elected party.
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There are ways of nationalising industries that don't involve screwing shareholders. Germany has prime examples of nationalisation done right. The government simply needs a controlling stake.
Of course there is also the argument that shareholders have sucked wealth from formerly nationalised industries through government subsidies for decades.
What I find amusing in this thread is people declaring how because the new Labour leader doesn't appeal to them then they have no chance of electoral success. Frankly if you are a life-long Conservative voter & Daily Mail/Sun reader he isn't trying to appeal to you. Thankfully overall in the UK people like that are in a minority.
Regarding the back & forth nationalisation of both energy & the rail network are two completely different kettles of fish. The rail network doesn't have to be nationalised, just allowing the existing licences to expire & bring them back into public ownership.
To nationalise the energy industry correct would be very expensive, but the fact that pensions are tied up in this is not a reason to avoid exploring it as a potential change, a pension with a high return isn't mean to be safe - it's essentially an investment. Besides, using a broken pension system (the entire system won't survive long enough for many to actually claim it in it's current incarnation) is hardly a justification to stifle social changes.
Personally I can't see the energy industry being nationalised any time soon anyway, due to the sheer costs involved.
Regarding the back & forth nationalisation of both energy & the rail network are two completely different kettles of fish. The rail network doesn't have to be nationalised, just allowing the existing licences to expire & bring them back into public ownership.
To nationalise the energy industry correct would be very expensive, but the fact that pensions are tied up in this is not a reason to avoid exploring it as a potential change, a pension with a high return isn't mean to be safe - it's essentially an investment. Besides, using a broken pension system (the entire system won't survive long enough for many to actually claim it in it's current incarnation) is hardly a justification to stifle social changes.
Personally I can't see the energy industry being nationalised any time soon anyway, due to the sheer costs involved.
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No but it implies similar values or goals and at least a friendly acquaintance, When Christina de Kirchner, Hezbollah, Gerry Adams and Vladimir Putin welcome a party leader with open arms and warm words, you know not to touch that party with a barge pole. Anyone with an interest in their nation or future can see that.
How else do you think people should take a party leader that shares a platform with terrorist organisations?
So he doesn't appeal to the largest party, roughly half of his own which is the 2nd largest (given his electorial result) and presumably none of ukip (the 3rd largest party via vote numbers) how electable do you think he is?elmarko said:
Frankly you are being guilty of the exact same problem you say in your post, just because he is your wet dream doesn't mean he is electable.
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Or the other way, if Tony Blair, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia & the Israel Defence Force fear his coming to power it's perhaps not so bad.
When it comes to a manifesto I highly doubt all his views will be put into policy, I mean there are many views that I hold which I wouldn't campaign for due to the public simply being too different on those issues.
Corbyn for example is a republican & would prefer an elected head of state, but he has no intention of campaigning or trying to change that aspect of society politically. There is an aspect of picking battles.
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Why is joint administration of the Falklands such a terrible thing? I believe that's what he spoke of. Not letting them go. Hell, we let Hong Kong and all the former colonies go. Nobody seems to object to that these days. We're not an empire, and some island over in South America is about as British as Washington DC.
Besides, if Argentina had (or develops) a decent armed forces, we would be giving them the Falklands quicker than you can say "Adiós!". I don't think there's any political will to get into a proper fight over them, these days.
Besides, if Argentina had (or develops) a decent armed forces, we would be giving them the Falklands quicker than you can say "Adiós!". I don't think there's any political will to get into a proper fight over them, these days.
The difference was we only had a 100 year lease on Hong Kong, plus the colonies wanted independence. Why should Argentina have any say what so ever over the Falklands?
We do at least respect people's right to self determination in that regard, though Corbyn believes otherwise.
Indeed this country is sick of pussy footing politicians,but, the electorate isn't going to vote for one who holds outdated views that hark from decades back.
We have plenty of Corbyn's already in our parties, off all persuasions, but until one comes along with views the majority of the electorate will vote for, nothing will change.
I like the man personally and like what I've seen of him, he was by far the more convincing of the Labour leadership contenders, alas though I think that just shows how poor Labours potential leaders were when the one with the wrong views but right personality won through.
Conviction politicians are the best ones IMO but only so long as those convictions gel with the electorate, Corbyn's don't.
Not really. Because they are not protests about policy based decisions directly effecting our country.
Blair is despised nationwide whose opinion only matters amongst blairites, Saud fears the loss of business, the IDF I doubt give a second thought, never mind fear him and have no ability to influence the UK.
Not really the same level as being welcomed by 4 people actively hostile to our national interest is it?
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This whole thing reminds of of the Ron Paul candidacy that always happens.
He manages to get a core base to like him and be very active, but lose out when he realises a few million supporters in a country of hundreds of millions isn't enough.
He manages to get a core base to like him and be very active, but lose out when he realises a few million supporters in a country of hundreds of millions isn't enough.