The EU Migrant Crisis

Dicehunter · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:03

arctine said:
No, you're right. You're much smarter than them.

Look at it logically, The country can't even keep the threats it has inside of it under control now, Adding more numbers to that list isn't going to help matters.

Also calm it down dude, No need for the behavior.

Neil79 · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:06

Dicehunter said:
Also calm it down dude, No need for the behavior.

He's served in the army remember, he's allowed to have an attitude

arctine · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:09

Neil79 said:
He's served in the army remember, he's allowed to have an attitude

No I have not served in the army but thank you for the misguided presumption based one singe fact.

My attitude is one of sadness and frustration.

Dicehunter · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:12

arctine said:
No I have not served in the army but thank you for the misguided presumption based one singe fact.

My attitude is one of sadness and frustration.

So you were a soldier who served in the middle east but weren't in the army ?, Out of curiosity as I literally know nothing about the forces what did you do if you weren't in the army but were a soldier ?

RoboCod · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:14

Dicehunter said:
So you were a soldier who served in the middle east but weren't in the army ?, Out of curiosity as I literally know nothing about the forces what did you do if you weren't in the army but were a soldier ?

The army is full of all sorts of trades. Yes they're all technically soldiers, but they're not really are they? Would you class a an army chef a soldier, or a mechanic, or doctor? It's like thinking everyone in the RAF is a pilot. It's not that simple.

Terminal_Boy · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:16

arctine said:
You have 0 comprehension of what they do or what they have prevented.

I seem to remember several loud bangs in London a few years back that they didn't prevent.

Why don't you enlighten us?

twist3d0n3 · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:16

RoboCod said:
The army is full of all sorts of trades. Yes they're all technically soldiers, but they're not really are they? Would you class a an army chef a soldier, or a mechanic, or doctor? It's like thinking everyone in the RAF is a pilot. It's not that simple.

he said he was a soldier that served in the middle east but isn't in the army.

RoboCod · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:17

Terminal_Boy said:
I seem to remember several loud bangs in London a few years back that they didn't prevent.

Why don't you enlighten us?

The security services have thwarted several attacks. You won't ever hear about them though.

RoboCod · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:18

twist3d0n3 said:
he said he was a soldier that served in the middle east but isn't in the army.

I've got soul but I'm not a soldier.

Dicehunter · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:20

RoboCod said:
The army is full of all sorts of trades. Yes they're all technically soldiers, but they're not really are they? Would you class a an army chef a soldier, or a mechanic, or doctor? It's like thinking everyone in the RAF is a pilot. It's not that simple.

But if you class yourself as a soldier and not a cook, Medic, Doctor etc... then surely you are a soldier ? Unless he's SAS in which case he is a soldier but not directly tied to the army !

Confirmed, arctine is SAS

Tephnos · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:21

Was it even necessary to mention he was a soldier who served there? Sounds like he just pushed that in there to make himself sound more correct about his opinion.

Terminal_Boy · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:22

Dicehunter said:
But if you class yourself as a soldier and not a cook, Medic, Doctor etc... then surely you are a soldier ? Unless he's SAS in which case he is a soldier but not directly tied to the army !

Confirmed, arctine is SAS

Nah, Blanket Stacker 3rd Class in the Really Large Corps...

Dicehunter · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:24

Tephnos said:
Was it even necessary to mention he was a soldier who served there? Sounds like he just pushed that in there to make himself sound more correct about his opinion.

+1

Terminal_Boy said:
Nah, Blanket Stacker 3rd Class in the Really Large Corps...

Hey man, Those blankets need stacking, It aint an easy job, Ever had blanket burn from folding sheets furiously ? Stings like a mother !!!

scorza · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:26

It was good to see David Cameron in the Lebanon today at a UK funded, UN run refugee camp. I still say the UK's foreign aid budget is too high but it's good to know that some of it is being spent responsibly.

Nutella33 · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:27

Tephnos said:
Was it even necessary to mention he was a soldier who served there? Sounds like he just pushed that in there to make himself sound more correct about his opinion.

Better than just saying "I'm not a hippy" I guess. His job has nothing to do with the rest of his position.

To solve the other confusion he could be a soldier in the Royal Marines or RAF Regt.

scorza said:
It was good to see David Cameron in the Lebanon today at a UK funded, UN run refugee camp. I still say the UK's foreign aid budget is too high but it's good to know that some of it is being spent responsibly.

Agreed, he's coming out quite well with this so far, good PR, reasonable numbers at a manageable pace from a source that doesn't have the issues of the European "plan" and held on long enough to let merkal make her mistakes and reality sink in.

arctine · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:32

I got asked if I am a hippy. I was merely making it clear that someone can oppose a wish for 100,000 people to die and also not be a hippy. I'm not discussing it any further.

The important thing is trying to understand why on earth some of you are stating desires or displaying impartiality to the death of people at all.

Also why some of you don't understand that unless you work in national security, you cannot possibly comprehend what is being done to prevent attacks and how difficult it is. Acting like the people keeping you safe in your home are somehow missing something you're aware of is ridiculous.

Terminal_Boy · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:32

scorza said:
It was good to see David Cameron in the Lebanon today at a UK funded, UN run refugee camp. I still say the UK's foreign aid budget is too high but it's good to know that some of it is being spent responsibly.

Why's CallMeDave visiting one of the few countries in the Middle East that UK PLC hasn't bombed/invaded/generally caused mayhem in?

Lord-Jaffa · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:41

arctine said:
No I'm not a hippy. I'm a soldier who has served in the middle east. I'm just also not an ignoramus.

No idea what you're saying.

You have 0 comprehension of what they do or what they have prevented.

No, you're right. You're much smarter than them.

Then you should know the futility of bringing any meaningful change to the middle east.

Nutella33 · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:42

arctine said:
Also why some of you don't understand that unless you work in national security, you cannot possibly comprehend what is being done to prevent attacks and how difficult it is. Acting like the people keeping you safe in your home are somehow missing something you're aware of is ridiculous.

Although the spy chiefs who have commented publicly and the investigations to events such as rigbys murder do concur with his assessment, there are thousands of people they need to keep an eye on and resources are heavily stretched, which is why Counter Int has consistently had budget increases recent, and why when lone attacks do get through... They are often known to the services but those same services have been unable to keep up with those persons.

I don't think he was claiming personal inside knowledge

arctine · 14 Sep 2015 at 19:46

Nutella33 said:
Although the spy chiefs who have commented publicly and the investigations to events such as rigbys murder do concur with his assessment, there are thousands of people they need to keep an eye on and resources are heavily stretched, which is why Counter Int has consistently had budget increases recent, and why when lone attacks do get through... They are often known to the services but those same services have been unable to keep up with those persons.

I don't think he was claiming personal inside knowledge

No, neither do I. I think he was implying that they're making a mistake while the fact remains, highly intelligent and efficient people would have assessed the threat before signing off on something like this. My quarrel isn't with people questioning the safety of their home country, it's with people jumping to conclusions and making up their own mind based on almost nothing.