The labour Leader thread...

Dimi said:
Get used to it :D, mainstream media's reach is being eroded by social media.

They don't like it, but they can't do anything about it. Which is absolutely brilliant for those who don't consume that form of propaganda.
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Is the last sentence due to the lack of fact checking and the ability to shout down those who disagree rather than debating with actual facts? (Also known as the cybernat approach)

The internet, allowing like minded groups of people to agree with each other no matter how crazy the proposition...
 
Dolph said:
Is the last sentence due to the lack of fact checking and the ability to shout down those who disagree rather than debating with actual facts? (Also known as the cybernat approach)

The internet, allowing like minded groups of people to agree with each other no matter how crazy the proposition...
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Well for me personally it's fact checking, but I'd be stupid to think that's the only point of view. For some it's an easy way of showing where ones loyalties lie.

I do stand by that last sentence though, I've always thought of that with the press in general. It's not just the UK, it's the world as it is. MSM is the form of propaganda governments use to spread their BS to the general public as a whole.
 

Pretty good interview i thought, nice to see that literally all of the media haven't resorted to spin and scare tactics. He seems like a competent man for the job.
 
No1newts said:
I don't get the obsession with linking a celebrity with a politician. X random celeb has endorsed him, ok.... And the point of that is? More garbage reporting.
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World we live in. It really bugs me in news stories, even things like head to head for top tennis players......win/loss, titles in current year and Twitter followers :rolleyes:
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34245061

So Corbyn is now electing a female MP who he has never even met before to the Cabinet. You couldn't even make up half of these stories. No doubt this is to meet his silly half female discrimination policy, or does he really have so few allies? It's amateur hour over at labour.

I can see Corbyn lasting about a year before he is ousted.
 
elmarko said:
Tbh I doubt UKIP voters are going to be swayed by his arguments.
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Who are "UKIP voters", though?

One set of figures I saw suggested about 55% were ex-Tory, between 25-30% were ex-Labour. The rest were varied. Also, the reason why they voted UKIP varied. For some, it Was the EU. For some, immigration. For some, that Farage wasn't the usual mealy-mouthed never say anything in case it might be controversial, media-whipped politician, but 'a bloke'. A genuine, say-what-you-mean, come what may, sort. Like Corbyn.

It's easy to portray UKIP as right-wing, but that's a facile analysis and wasn't even really true in earlier years, and it certainly isn't now. It's more nuanced. A good part of it's appeal is outside the left-right paradigm altogether, and some of it's voters sure are. Corbyn certainly isn't likely to appeal to ex-Tories, or to a large part of UKIP vote, but just might to ex-Labour voters disenchanted either with New Labour or their leading figures. What makes most people vote this way or that can be quite complicated.
 
aslco said:
So unelectable he won a landslide victory in an election
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There's a difference between Corbyn being elected by Labour supporters in an internal election, and a Corbyn-led Labour being elected by the whole national electorate. Given that Labour lost the last election, they have to get quite a lot more votes than they did in the last one, and critically, have to do it in seats they lost in 2010 or '15. If they just shore up votes in seats they currently hold, it does absolutely nothing to put Labour in power, and gains them no extra seats. The only way they win power, are "electable" is if they can take quite a few seats in constituencies they just lost, or failed go regain.

For Labour to be electable, they have to take seats all over the place, but most notably in the South and South-East, and/or in Scotland. Good luck with Scotland. The notion that a Corbynite left wing Labour will do better than a Miliband Labour in Tory heartland South and South East seems .... optimistic.

Of course, if a week is a long time in politics, then four and a half years is an eternity. Only time will tell. It just seems unlikely.
 
PermaBanned said:
Pretty good interview i thought, nice to see that literally all of the media haven't resorted to spin and scare tactics. He seems like a competent man for the job.
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McDonnell is a thoughtful and articulate man. That's not the problem with choosing him as a chancellor. He's a poor choice partly for his comments on the IRA which will, alongside Corbyn's sensible views on talking to terrorists, will make it easy to portray them as the "pro-terrorist frontbench"; and partly because he's such a divisive figure within the Labour party.
 
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