Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

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eddiemcgarrigle said:
You didn't vote for the SNP in the referendum, you voted for your country to be like every other and take control of it's own future. What you are saying now is that potentially, you will vote 'no' in the event of another referendum that could be sparked by Scotland being pulled out of the EU even though it votes to stay in.

Potentially, England could be the only country of the four who make up the UK, who votes to leave. That is zero respect for the democratic process where the bigger country simply does as it wants and ignores it's smaller neighbours, who are meant to be equal partners in this United Kingdom
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When I mention that I'm a floating voter then mention in the same sentence that I voted for the SNP last time that was make it pretty damn clear I'm talking about at an election, not in relation to the referendum. It was even on a different paragraph.

I'm well aware that I voted in the referendum for the future of Scotland and based on two campaigns who weren't made up of any singlular political party, feel free to trawl through my post history I'm pretty sure I pointed out at least once on OCUK that the YES campaign was NOT the SNP. However seeing as since the referendum the SNP have begun making noises about running another "once in a generation" referendum again "within a generation" I'm pretty annoyed, this is basically the same as losing at rock,paper,scissors then saying "Best of three?" We, the people of Scotland made a democratic decision to stay in the UK, I think the fact that less than 12 months later we're back hearing justifications for running it again is pretty damn sickening and that's coming from someone who voted YES. I can only imagine how fed up those who voted NO would be feeling.

You can talk about the EU all you want, bottom line is that we were asked just LAST YEAR about whether we wanted to link our future to England, Wales and Norther Ireland the Scottish people said yes they did, they rejected independence, justify it however you want but we lost.

We are still part of the UK, we voted for that and the consequences. This latest weak justification by the SNP is simply trying to ignore the democratic outcome of the last referendum, which was made knowing that we were tying our EU membership to that of the UK.
 
My major issue with the referendum is that it caused huge arguments within my family, with me being at odds with my pro-independence family - the results of which have only just begun to heal. It caused ructions throughout Scotland and turned what were normal, friendly people into flag-waving, face-painted bellowing fools whose prime argument for independence was 'but the oil' and were incapable of holding a reasoned, sensible conversation without sounding like racist, tartan-wearing buffoons.

I do not want another referendum and despise the fact that Sturgeon and her butthurt cronies seem to be going down the route of 'we lost the first time but we'll just keep trying and trying and trying until we get the result that we want'. It just make her look like a liar and an idiot if she thinks the head of state and prime minister are going to let her have another go at it.
 
eddiemcgarrigle said:
You didn't vote for the SNP in the referendum, you voted for your country to be like every other and take control of it's own future. What you are saying now is that potentially, you will vote 'no' in the event of another referendum that could be sparked by Scotland being pulled out of the EU even though it votes to stay in.

Potentially, England could be the only country of the four who make up the UK, who votes to leave. That is zero respect for the democratic process where the bigger country simply does as it wants and ignores it's smaller neighbours, who are meant to be equal partners in this United Kingdom
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The mistake you are making is thinking that the constitutional parts of the UK are separate members of the EU and the vote is regional. It is UK wide. If the majority of the UK vote to leave the EU then that is the democratic will of the people of the UK, of which Scotland makes up ~9%.

Tell me, had Yes won the referendum last year, but say for arguments sake, Edinburgh voted to remain part of the UK, what would your view on the people of Edinburgh having something forced upon them that they did not vote for?

You see, it wouldn't matter since the referendum last year, and the EU referendum are held nationally at a Scottish and UK level, not a regional local level like you are trying to make out regarding the EU.

The absolutely hilarious irony regarding you using the EU as a basis for a second referendum on Scottish independence is, that had Yes succeeded, Scotland would be bombed out of the EU as of March next year!
 
eddiemcgarrigle said:
You didn't vote for the SNP in the referendum, you voted for your country to be like every other and take control of it's own future. What you are saying now is that potentially, you will vote 'no' in the event of another referendum that could be sparked by Scotland being pulled out of the EU even though it votes to stay in.

Potentially, England could be the only country of the four who make up the UK, who votes to leave. That is zero respect for the democratic process where the bigger country simply does as it wants and ignores it's smaller neighbours, who are meant to be equal partners in this United Kingdom
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Neither England nor Scotland will have a vote in the EU referendum. Each individual person will, so neither country is ignoring it's neighbour.

If, and it's a big if, the result of the vote in England was overwhelmingly to leave, and the result in Scotland was to stay, what on earth is democratic about 5 million Scots telling 53 million English they can't have what they voted for.

You seem to expect that a majority, if the vote went that way, of 53 million English should "respect" the will of Scotland, while refusing to acknowledge that 5m Scots also need to respect the will of a majority of 53 million English. Scotland does not have and should not have a veto over a UK-wide vote. It's a simple majority.

Personally, I'd be quite happy to see another Scottish referendum, on condition that it was the last one for, say, at least 50 years. Then, whichever way it went, and I don't much care which way, at least it'd be an end to constant SNP whinging about it.
 
Halfmad said:
I voted yes last time, if I'm asked to do so again at any point I'll vote no as it shows zero respect for the democratic process. I was told once in a generation, this is not that.

I'm not someone who supports any one political party, I tend to float between them but I'm getting pretty annoyed at the SNP, who I voted for last time.
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We were also told a no vote would result in home rule and would ensure Scotland stayed in the EU. Homerule isn't happening and EU membership is on a shaky peg.

I think there's plenty of justification for breaking the 'once in a generation' promise, which I always took to be rhetoric from Alex Salmond (in his own words "In my opinion, and it is just my opinion, this is a once in a generation opportunity for Scotland.") rather than a promise from the Yes campaign or anyone else.
 
The problem is the hypocrite Scottish nationalists think the UK is too wee, too poor, too stupid to be out of the EU and doesn't want the UK to have a democratic vote on it. Referendums to determine independent running of a country only seems to apply to Scots of the foot stamping, flag waving variety and cheaply use the words democracy when it suits them despite them being anything but democratic.
 
Aldav said:
If, and it's a big if, the result of the vote in England was overwhelmingly to leave, and the result in Scotland was to stay, what on earth is democratic about 5 million Scots telling 53 million English they can't have what they voted for.
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You seem to be missing the point completely. Scotland wouldn't be stopping anyone from leaving or staying. If the EU vote ends up being England voting to leave and Scotland to stay, that would be grounds to hold another independence referendum. That would then give Scots the choice of either stay in the Union but leave the EU or stay in the EU but leave the union.

This would in no way stop England from leaving or staying in the EU.
 
All milk and honey, in many ways I would like to get rid of the Scots as they are such a spiteful, ungrateful people. But then I guess that you would end up with many more headaches if did. Their days of creating inventions has long since passed.
 
Lol the general opinion of Scottish Nationalism seems quite warped to me. The public perspective is backwards. You've got many say how mental Scottish Nationalists are but how mental does that make the Union Jack waving bigots in the photos above? The only reason they're there is to make as much noise as possible and wind people up. Orange trolls who contribute jack **** to anything.

People in favour of independence want change, why is that so crazy?
 
jsmoke said:
All milk and honey, in many ways I would like to get rid of the Scots as they are such a spiteful, ungrateful people. But then I guess that you would end up with many more headaches if did. Their days of creating inventions has long since passed.
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This opinion seems to becoming the norm now. Completely blinded by what is written in the papers and shown on the news. You really should be ashamed of yourself.
 
Quite funny from the MASSIVE over representation they have in parliament with such low votes. Also, the SNP is very good at banging on about a Yes vote, yet show no respect or consideration to those who voted to stay part of the UK.
 
cu3ed said:
Quite funny from the MASSIVE over representation they have in parliament with such low votes. Also, the SNP is very good at banging on about a Yes vote, yet show no respect or consideration to those who voted to stay part of the UK.
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Nicola Sturgeon

“It would be wrong to propose another referendum without a fundamental change of circumstances or a strong indication that a significant number of those who voted no last year had changed their minds.

But it would also be wrong – in the face of a clear and material shift in circumstances or in public opinion – for any one politician or party to rule out another referendum indefinitely.”

Seems fair enough to me.
 
guys, dont bait him.. just allow this thread to die*, also please dont quote him as it messes with my ignore list ;)

*happy for the thread to be re-opened in many years time if they decide to vote again. but for the moment, its just a BS thread and your feeding the troll.
 
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