That's the systems fault, however it's actually almost 1:1 representative by proportion of population...so
Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible
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That's the systems fault, however it's actually almost 1:1 representative by proportion of population...so
Oh dear, even Nicola Sturgeon in her speech admitted the majority of Scots are against independence.
"With about 120 SNP MPs, MSPs and MEPs gathered in Edinburgh to hear her speak, Sturgeon said a majority of Scots remained unconvinced about the case for leaving the UK, despite some new opinion polls showing a slight lead for a yes vote."
Looks like the First Minister is a little more rooted in reality and takes more of a respectful and balanced view than our slightly desperate pet xenophobe. Bio
"With about 120 SNP MPs, MSPs and MEPs gathered in Edinburgh to hear her speak, Sturgeon said a majority of Scots remained unconvinced about the case for leaving the UK, despite some new opinion polls showing a slight lead for a yes vote."
Looks like the First Minister is a little more rooted in reality and takes more of a respectful and balanced view than our slightly desperate pet xenophobe. Bio
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Ungrateful for what exactly?
Here are some of the latest Scottish inventions. But don't let facts stand in the way of making a pish argument!
MRI body scanner - 1980
The first cloned mammal - 1996
Falkirk wheel - 2002
Human papillomavirus vaccine - 2006
Metaflex fabric - 2010
Tractor beam innovations thereof: St. Andrews University - 2013
Surface Enhanced Raman Scattering (SERS) - 2014
Oh and maybe some of you guys might have heard of this invention, 3D open world video games. That's Scottish.
Another small minded, biggoted, little englander.
It is strange that it is us nationalist's that are painted as bullies and nazi's by unionists yet it is they that are out in force beating people up, verbally abusing YES supporters and doing nazi salutes.
Where is the evidence of the nationalists bullying? If we are so horrid then why does half of Scotland support the nationalist SNP? Why is this thread full of anti Scottish, British nationalists?
It also looks like they've finished the last of the Bucky.
Genius. Casual anti Scottish xenophobia at it's finest. Good stuff. Very original!
But that was last week. The people need to be given a chance to get it right. And as many more chances as it takes until they do, at which point, no doubt SNP leaders will proclaim it as the "settled will" of Scots.[TW]Fox;28584017 said:
It's a bit like security services fighting terrorism - the security services have to 'win' every time, but the terrorists only need to succeed once on a major scale to have the effect they want.
I wonder if Salmond/Sturgeon would want to hold another referendum a year or five after 'winning' to see if Scots want to change back? My bet is they wouldn't, and won't. Just in case. Not that's it's by any means a given that the rest of the UK would want them back, and agree to that, of course, any more than it's certain the EU would admit an independent Scotland, or re-admit the UK if we left and wanted back in.
For any SNP advocates wanting to go off on one over the notion that the EU wouldn't admit Scotland, I stress I didn't say they wouldn't. I said it's not "certain" they would. It only needs one veto.
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Again more utter pish.
Scotland has about 10% of the population of the UK and has about 10% of the seats at westminster. How exactly are we over represented? If anything we have next to no influence in the way the UK is governed.
The Brit Nat crazies are out in force today!
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Yeah and we were promised home rule. Where is that?
I think he's referring to the SNP, who are massively over represented.
Its a pretty simple problem.
England has more than 10x the population and so regardless of who Scotland vote for, Englands vote dictates the government in power and for the last few elections, that government doesn't represent the Scottish demographic...
I don't see why anyone would have an issue with that?
England has more than 10x the population and so regardless of who Scotland vote for, Englands vote dictates the government in power and for the last few elections, that government doesn't represent the Scottish demographic...
I don't see why anyone would have an issue with that?
So by your logic none of the non SNP MP's in Scotland would be Scottish MP's in Westminster?
As by your post you seem to be suggesting that only the SNP can represent Scottish voters, ever.
At the moment the SNP (a party that got about 1.5 million votes, out of 4 million in Scotland) has about 9% of the seats in the HOC despite getting less than 5% of the total votes.
So it's proprtion of the vote to seats is quite out of proportion.
To put that into perspective the Lib Dems got nearly 8% of the total vote (nearly a million more votes than the SNP) but only 8 MP's.
Some could suggest that under the current system the SNP has far far more influence for it's policies in Parliament than the number of it's votes should really give it (it didn't even get half the Scottish votes).
So before you spout off that Scottish voters voted against Westminster it's worth remembering that more people voted for Westminster/non SNP parties, and that the SNP for the number of people that supported it has a hugely out of proportion voice in Westminster.
I'd say well done for the SNP, and that the system worked as intended at the moment, but it does show up the weekness of first past the post quite well when a party with less than 5% of the national votes, and only 30ish percent of the regional votes gets around 9% and 95% of the positions respectively.
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We'll hopefully one day find a cure for your mental affliction.
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Except it would not, since Scotland is not a member of the EU in its own right and if independent would have to re-apply as a new member. So either way, iScotland would be out of the EU, at least for a period.
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Let's hold the phone.... why exactly is anyone flying the flag of our country a bigot?
There may well be a lot of warped opinion on this thread. Yours may well be the most warped.
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If it was a yes vote the plan was the EU transition would be negotiated in the 18 month time frame until Scotland became independent.
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That makes you look like a bigot.
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Even then he would be incorrect as the SNP got 53% of the vote in the 2011 elections.
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The 2011 Scottish Parliament election has exactly what relevance to the 2015 UK Parliamentary election?
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I have no idea how you have arrived at that conclusion.
You are wrong. If you add up the votes of all other parties versus the SNP, the other parties would have 1593 more votes than the SNP. However, that doesn't take into account some of those parties are also pro independence such as the SSP and the Greens. So it is a provable fact that anti Westminster parties did receive more Scottish votes than pro Westminster parties.
Of course I am sure you wouldn't be on here whinging about how unfair it all is if a pro union party won the same massive majority in Scotland. LOL!
Being deliberately stupid only convinces yourself that you're not wrong, you're not fooling anyone else.
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