How far is this VW thing going to go?

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There is a thread about this in motors but I think it's safe to say that this is getting to the point where it's going to affect everyone, regardless of whether you drive or not.

Having just browsed the Telegraph and the Independent, some pretty serious claims are being made, the two which stand out the most are "Volkswagen emissions scandal: diesel "worse than the black plague" and responsible for 50,000 premature deaths a year in the UK alone" and that "this could spell the end of diesel cars".

These sound pretty sensationalist to me but I think the main question is how far is this rabbit hole going to go? How many car suppliers are in on the act? There are already rumours going around that this could affect petrol cars too. Investigations are being launched all over the world and France has already said that they'll be ruthless on VW if they're caught cheating.

It does beggar belief that his has gotten this far, I think there are very interesting times ahead.
 
The gov pretty much pushed people to get diesel cars a while ago. I don't think we'll see the end of them anytime soon.
 
It'll most likely get settled out of court for the civil part but some directors might face criminal prosecutions.

Don't hold your breath though, it'll drag on for months of not years.
 
I didn't think much of it at first but it looks like it's being taken very seriously and will open up further arguments.

The 50k premature deaths one interests me on how they've came to that figure.
 
Jono said:
The gov pretty much pushed people to get diesel cars a while ago. I don't think we'll see the end of them anytime soon.
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That's another aspect of this whole fiasco, the gov did indeed shove diesel down our throats but it does make you wonder why, what were their motives and were some of them perhaps aware of this underhand practice?

Imagine if they're found to have taken bribes for allowing this to happen :eek:
 
Jono said:
The gov pretty much pushed people to get diesel cars a while ago. I don't think we'll see the end of them anytime soon.
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That was a while ago, and although I agree they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. In the long term the writing is on the wall, several cities in EU they are banned, they're looking to do the same in London, and expect tax to rise faster than petrol. Vehicle pollution is one if the biggest killers in western countries, then off course there's economy buying all are fuel abroad and on top of that energy security.
 
US courts can be useful for this sort of stuff... VW could potentially face paying out billions in compensation/fines etc..
 
having owned 3 diesels as my last cars... my next will be petrol/hybrid
 
it will go everywhere. I would bet on every major car manufacturer doing the same kind of scam to boos sales of their so called "Eco Friendly" cars. VW got caught first the french manufacturers who are known for leading the diesel way will get busted next. Only the US manufacturers will be safe because they don't give a crap about the environment and pride themselves on cars that do 2 miles to the gallon !! so have nothing to hide anyway
 
This has the potential to be MASSIVE. And yes I did type that in capital letters for extra impact.

As ever with these things, the only 'winners' will be the subhumanscum lawyers who are no doubt jizzing into their collective coffers as we speak.
 
wunkley said:
This has the potential to be MASSIVE. And yes I did type that in capital letters for extra impact.

As ever with these things, the only 'winners' will be the subhumanscum lawyers who are no doubt jizzing into their collective coffers as we speak.
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and the DVLA as they will spaz out and roll out massive hikes in road fund licence and probably retrospectively back charge any poor mug that was unfortuante to have one of the affected vehicles under the guidance that they can then claim back from the manufacturer. Net result all drivers will be out of pocket as per usual with this spastic government..................
 
That and it's just not VW is it - They are the 'parent' company for many others

Skoda
Seat
Porsche
Lamborghini

and there just the ones I can think of.

Ok so Lambo don't give a rats arse any way, but for Seat and Skoda, well they could.......
 
wildman said:
and the DVLA as they will spaz out and roll out massive hikes in road fund licence and probably retrospectively back charge any poor mug that was unfortuante to have one of the affected vehicles under the guidance that they can then claim back from the manufacturer. Net result all drivers will be out of pocket as per usual with this spastic government..................
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Can't see them going after the end user if this does go that far.

They'd simply have to get it direct from VAG, and then they will hit the end user with a massive rise in RFL no doubt.

The most interesting part is if VAG aren't the only ones, that could be a real rabbit hole.
 
tcfreer said:
That and it's just not VW is it - They are the 'parent' company for many others

Skoda
Seat
Porsche
Lamborghini

and there just the ones I can think of.

Ok so Lambo don't give a rats arse any way, but for Seat and Skoda, well they could.......
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VW had admitted it impacted the following cars:

The allegations, which have been admitted by VW, cover the Jetta, Beetle, Audi A3 and Golf models from 2009 to 2015 and the Passat in 2014 and 2015
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So I guess the Seat / Skoda brands may not be impacted
 
I doubt it'll spell the end of diesel cars, but it's going to mean some pretty far reaching changes to the industry that's for sure.

At the moment the industry seems to regulate itself with regards to lab testing, I would imagine that there will be some serious regulatory overhauls and the installation of a new body overseeing manufacturers.

I can also see this spreading to other vehicle makers as VW can't be the only ones in the industry doing this sort of thing, give it a week or so and they'll start crawling out of the woodwork.

With regards to the current VW cars out there, there's got to be a recall up to a certain age to get additional filtration installed and a software update to the ECU. I would expect MOT regs to change to include a test of these systems as well.

The final point that irks me is that VW have said all "new" cars don't suffer from this issue, so how long have they known that this was coming?
 
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