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How far is this VW thing going to go?
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Wut. Even if they are given the massive $18bn fine that's being banded about, they still made $14.7bn~ profit on $225bn revenue last year and I really can't see that declining that much over this scandal.
A lot more focus goes into HGV pollution reduction, plus fleet operators tend to be more proactive with regards to using telematics to improve fuel consumption and reduce mileage to a minimum (therefore reducing environmental impact).
HGV operators also don't go around removing DPFs or remapping for MOAR POWER! as far as I'm aware.
What tickles me is how some people have reacted to this, like the news is such a big surprise and that it was impossible to imagine that this happened. You only have to look at published MPG figures to know the auto industry have been misleading and using tricks to obtain better figures.
I can't see how VW are going to get out of it and I suspect there will be other manufacturers that get caught up in this. Hopefully this can seriously kick start some green initiatives in the auto industry.
I can't see how VW are going to get out of it and I suspect there will be other manufacturers that get caught up in this. Hopefully this can seriously kick start some green initiatives in the auto industry.
Tip of the iceberg though. If it turns out Eu cars are affected too, they have all the cost of the US recall, the fines, they will get their asses sued too, EU cars, total loss of face as a Car maker, sales dropping off a cliff, the drop in their share price (£30 billion wiped out yesterday), etc
If things get really bad it could be the end of them.
So true. Euro 6 engines added £10k to the cost of a HGV with no improvement to fuel economy or road tax (unlike Euro 5 which had much better fuel economy over Euro 4 plus reduced rosd tax). Euro 6 is basically a £10k tax for HGV operators so they produce less pollution.
I'm not sure car buyers would swallow all diesel cars increasing by £10k from 1st September.
I think the reason for the reaction, is that this has gone way beyond using a bit of trickery on a cycle like stop/start systems that take advantage of the cycle more than it benefits you in real life in order to get into a cheaper tax band, to having an undeclared system that actively operates a bit of equipment to deliberately disguise a specific emission criteria that would have made the vehicle legally unsellable in the US.
There currently seems to be a bit of confusion surrounding whether VW had AdBlue and were overusing it in the tests or whether the cars didn't have AdBlue and what they've been doing has faked emissions to meet the levels that other manufacturers had to use AdBlue to reach.
If it's the latter, it could well only be VW really caught up in things, if everyone else was just using AdBlue and VW tried to get away with not implementing it.
If it is a case of having AdBlue but deliberately overusing it in a test cycle, then plenty of them could have been at it.
Outside of the USA though, i'll be surprised if any of the many investigations really amount to much, people seem to have taken this one example of falsified NOx readings and started extrapolating it to CO2 and tax and all sorts of other nonsense that more than likely won't be a significant problem beyond highlighting how pointless the NEDC is, which we all knew anyway. Up until now, we've not had NOx limits anywhere near as restrictive as the US, so such cheat systems shouldn't have been necessary here really.
Still a massive issue from 1st September as EU has the same NOX emmisions as US.
Okay VW might not need to recall many cars but equally they cant seel any new ones if they needed to cheat still?
Depends, I would have thought they'd have been shipping with AdBlue by now but yes, if they were attempting to cheat at Euro6 with no AdBlue they could also have a small issue here for a while.
Pretty sure it will. I dont think their small diesels have adblue.
At some point the EU and everyone else will also take a look at how fuel efficiency figures are boosted in test conditions. These are better than ones coming from motorists on the road. The alleged list of tricks used is quite impressive:
All denied by manufacturers but who are we to trust them now. Interesting times ahead for the motor industry. Some of us petrol heads might soon be considered as saving angels.
All denied by manufacturers but who are we to trust them now. Interesting times ahead for the motor industry. Some of us petrol heads might soon be considered as saving angels.
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Is there a list anywhere that shows Euro-6 compliant cars?
At some point the EU and everyone else will also take a look at how fuel efficiency figures are boosted in test conditions. These are better than ones coming from motorists on the road. The alleged list of tricks used is quite impressive:
All denied by manufacturers but who are we to trust them now. Interesting times ahead for the motor industry. Some of us petrol heads might soon be considered as saving angels.
Its a joke anyway. The Extra Urban is a 4.3 mile test with an average speed of 39 mph. Just once in the test is the car required to accelerate to 75 mph. How can that realistically represent what people will get in real life travelling on a motorway unless you are an old codger like my dad and drive everywhere at 39 mph?
SO all you need to do as a car manufacturer is optimise your ecu and gearing to use the least possible fuel at 39 mph.
Cant find one. Interesting in 2014 over a quarter of all cars pass the new Euro 6 emission tests. I wonder how many would still do if testing properly?