How far is this VW thing going to go?

eatcustard · 24 Sep 2015 at 08:19

Abraxaz1 said:
Do you reckon all the cocks in the outside lane of the motorway will now switch back to BMW's?

If its like anything I had today on the M5, they already have

McPhee · 24 Sep 2015 at 14:00

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/24/bmw-shares-emissions-volkswagen

Pandora's box is open. BMW now implicated as the X3 fails test by being 11 times over the legal limit for NOx.

MichaelAwkward · 24 Sep 2015 at 14:06

satchef1 said:
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/24/bmw-shares-emissions-volkswagen

Pandora's box is open. BMW now implicated as the X3 fails test by being 11 times over the legal limit for NOx.

That's not the same issue. The fact that diesel cars have been found to be many times over the limit for emission of certain pollutants has been known for a while, and completely ignored.

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-in-breach-of-eu-pollution-rules-report-finds

Greebo · 24 Sep 2015 at 14:48

MichaelAwkward said:
That's not the same issue. The fact that diesel cars have been found to be many times over the limit for emission of certain pollutants has been known for a while, and completely ignored.

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-in-breach-of-eu-pollution-rules-report-finds

True but remember it was the testing of cars on the road in Europe which initially prompted them to look at VW to see why their cars passed in the lab test.

Perhaps its just a bad car and the test are a mockery anyway compared to real life.

But its going to make big changes to any tests and the motor industry. I dont think the motering industry who have been lobbying for the new real life road tests to be put back from 2018 to 2020 will get their way now.

Chuk_Chuk · 24 Sep 2015 at 14:53

Diddums said:
There are loads of theories about this, the more logical ones are:

The car goes into test mode when the traction control is turned off (which is required when putting a car on a rolling road).

The car goes in to test mode when an OBD reader is connected.

The car goes in to test mode when the bonnet is open.

Just to add to this list, speed and acceleration demands are taken into account as well.

defoerate · 24 Sep 2015 at 15:08

I'm looking at new cars, the diesels have the lowest CO2 emissions and therefore cheapest road tax. But then I read articles like this - makes you think again whether it's the right thing to do.

Washout · 24 Sep 2015 at 15:08

Rather amusing geeky parallels to back when it emerged NVIDIA drivers picked up on 3dmark being used and did some shenanigans to improve test results.

MichaelAwkward · 24 Sep 2015 at 15:09

defoerate said:
I'm looking at new cars, the diesels have the lowest CO2 emissions and therefore cheapest road tax. But then I read articles like this - makes you think again whether it's the right thing to do.

You should never buy a new car based on the cost of VED. :confused:

stopper · 24 Sep 2015 at 15:19

MichaelAwkward said:
diesel cars have been found to be many times over the limit for emission of certain pollutants has been known for a while, and completely ignored.

It wasn't an issue until the government realised how much money they are losing out on in car tax.

Deathjester · 24 Sep 2015 at 15:20

I own a diesel, I bought it because of the low running costs.

I like my BMW 3 Series.

Meh...

defoerate · 24 Sep 2015 at 15:20

MichaelAwkward said:
You should never buy a new car based on the cost of VED.

Well I meant nearly new or possibly lease. Like many of us I care about the climate but also want a car that will appeal to moderately attractive human females with low expectations.

MichaelAwkward · 24 Sep 2015 at 15:23

defoerate said:
Well I meant nearly new or possibly lease. Like many of us I care about the climate but also want a car that will appeal to moderately attractive human females with low expectations.

My point was that VED is such a tiny proportion of the total ownership cost that it's not worth considering with most cars, new or used.

Outcast · 24 Sep 2015 at 15:29

MichaelAwkward said:
My point was that VED is such a tiny proportion of the total ownership cost that it's not worth considering with most cars, new or used.

My Missus would vehemently oppose that train of thought !

defoerate · 24 Sep 2015 at 15:33

MichaelAwkward said:
My point was that VED is such a tiny proportion of the total ownership cost that it's not worth considering with most cars, new or used.

Oh right - I know it's illogical but I'm passionate about avoiding tax so I have more money for beer.

JAMAL · 24 Sep 2015 at 15:53

defoerate said:
Oh right - I know it's illogical but I'm passionate about avoiding tax so I have more money for beer.

Taxed beer, unless you homebrew which still is on supplies?

defoerate · 24 Sep 2015 at 16:02

JAMAL said:
Taxed beer, unless you homebrew which still is on supplies?

That's a bit silly but I am grateful the conservatives haven't introduced a yearly beer tax for the right to drink beer, but I wouldn't rule this past them.

D.P. · 24 Sep 2015 at 16:26

Washout said:
Rather amusing geeky parallels to back when it emerged NVIDIA drivers picked up on 3dmark being used and did some shenanigans to improve test results.

OR when ATI detected Quake 3 was running and lowered the texture quality to increase benchmark scores.

gothic_hobbit · 26 Sep 2015 at 03:18

Greebo said:
I suspect it will turn out to be "most" diesels and also that there has been cheating going on with petrol cars too.

I think this is just the tip of the iceberg.

The tip of the melting iceburg even, thanks to global warming.

jono_astra · 26 Sep 2015 at 08:02

OracIe · 26 Sep 2015 at 08:36

jono_astra said:
Switzerland has now banned the sale of vw diesels.

Yep, just seen this in the news. Quite a bold step, this is getting serious!