If you're that hurt by an off the cuff 'get off you're high horse' then apologies. But it's far from aggressive.
Apology accepted but I wasn't offended, I was however not expecting to be told to get off my high horse - which I wasn't at all. I'm trying to toe a fine line between letting people discuss the events without it turning into another "lol Islam" or "lol religion" thread which is totally unnecessary in this situation, especially since there have been death of innocent people doing something that shouldn't be dangerous at all.
Yes maybe I am mocking 'Allah's will' but what is exactly what these people will brush it off as. Can't you see how ludicrous that is? So then nothing will be done to prevent this in future. No changes will be made. All because it's 'Allah's will'.
Yes, but you're still trivialising something that doesn't need to be trivialised. I get that you think it's daft and ridiculous, but discuss the matters at hand rather than being derogatory about it.
This was a peaceful event yet 700+ people died. That highlights the lack of empathy and value of life these people have. It's not an inconsiderate number..
I know, it's tragic, awful that people should die doing something which shouldn't be dangerous. I hope that this is a stark reminder than despite the improvements they made, it is not enough and more needs to be done to protect people. People will continue to want to do the pilgrimage - so they need to make sure they facilitate it to make it safe for those that want to do it. No matter how much faith they may or may not have I doubt any of them were expecting to lose their live.
People then expect Europe to throw open their arms to these type of characters.
I don't get the relevance of this?
I recon more people use London Underground each day... not directly comparable but the London Underground manages just fine without hundreds of crushed passengers.
That's because we've spent millions on it, and it has evolved, grown, and isn't centred around one small part of London. And they shut stations during overcrowding, and manage the crowds. Something they haven't done there or not doing well enough.
Either way that number of deaths shouldn't happen for something as relatively low risk as this.
they made some changes... clearly not enough
Agreed.
it isn't like 2006 was an isolated incident either, there have been repeated incidents of mass deaths at the same event - probelm is this is a country run by people with medieval beliefs
I don't think the beliefs are a problem, after all they use cars and computers it's not as if they are a technologically backward civilisation. Perhaps they have somewhat more "traditional" behaviours, and that is part of their culture and they should be able to enjoy it - but irrespective of their beliefs it shouldn't cost the lives of people.
In fact it should be because of their beliefs that they should realise the magnitude of work they need to do to allow people to follow their "medieval beliefs" without being put into danger.
Nope, shocked here... just even more shocked at some people's defensive attitudes when Islam is criticised... this is GD, I should be use to it by now.
Why do you think it is fair to blame a religion when this is to do with the authorities that run the area around Mecca?
I don't mind people criticising the situation, but tarring a religion and a culture is unfair.
I agree entirely this is unacceptable and shows a terribly low value of life, but that's down to poor management and not enough risk mitigation and poor crowd control.
