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complains about 'bashing muslims' while being openly racist towards Arabs...

oh the irony....

Two different things. The first is quite popular these days due to the political climate but it doesn't make it right so I'll point it out when ever I can.

I do not Dislike a person based on there race so I am not racist. I dislike them on there individual character or attributes they possess.

And a common trend among Saudi elites is to think of them selves better then other Muslims due to the fact the prophet Muhammad was born in there region. I despise them almost as much as isis.
 
Two different things. The first is quite popular these days due to the political climate but it doesn't make it right so I'll point it out when ever I can.

I do not Dislike a person based on there race so I am not racist. I dislike them on there individual character or attributes they possess.

And a common trend among Saudi elites is to think of them selves better then other Muslims due to the fact the prophet Muhammad was born in there region. I despise them almost as much as isis.

So you hate all arabs based upon your views of Saudi Elites? Let me guess you are either Shia,sufi or barelvi 'muslim'?
 
So you hate all arabs based upon your views of Saudi Elites? Let me guess you are either Shia,sufi or barelvi 'muslim'?

Where did I say all, lol i don't label myself based on this or that. Mostly there government and a few I've come across here or there, most have been pleasant but a few that deserve the label.
 
Two different things. The first is quite popular these days due to the political climate but it doesn't make it right so I'll point it out when ever I can.

I do not Dislike a person based on there race so I am not racist. I dislike them on there individual character or attributes they possess.

And a common trend among Saudi elites is to think of them selves better then other Muslims due to the fact the prophet Muhammad was born in there region. I despise them almost as much as isis.

nothing to do with Saudi elites, I dislike them too

but the fact still remains that you made an openly racist statement about Arabs (not Saudi elites) while simultaneously moaning about 'muslim bashing'

bashing a belief is fair game tbh... calling an ethnic or racial group fat and lazy isn't
 
nothing to do with Saudi elites, I dislike them too

but the fact still remains that you made an openly racist statement about Arabs (not Saudi elites) while simultaneously moaning about 'muslim bashing'

bashing a belief is fair game tbh... calling an ethnic or racial group fat and lazy isn't

Constructive criticism is always good for both sides, just bashing due to the fact that they're Muslim is prejudice and just as bad as racism.

And you well know that's what happens these days.

I wasn't referring to all Arabs just the ones who match the attributes. Stop trying to make it out like I'm Hitler.
 
This is what happens when people can't follow instructions. You're supposed to stay especially calm during that part of the pilgrimage (stoning the devil), yet people miss the point entirely and go nuts, endangering everyone else in the whole process.

You can't cure stupidity.
 
nothing to do with Saudi elites, I dislike them too

but the fact still remains that you made an openly racist statement about Arabs (not Saudi elites) while simultaneously moaning about 'muslim bashing'

bashing a belief is fair game tbh... calling an ethnic or racial group fat and lazy isn't

Since when was it racist to call an ethnic or racial group fat.
 
Fat lazy Arabs, other Muslims should form a coalition and invade them depose there government and flog them publicly.
And I guarantee most Muslims will applaud.

Arab Spring
Interesting, yet are you forgetting your recent history.

And invasion by the US to get rid of dictators made no difference. Women's rights are as bad as ever in Iraq. They can't drive cars, hold jobs and dress how they want. How do I know because female Iraqi professional colleagues, clever, talented women with families don't want to live there and have moved to the UK.

The Arab Spring looked promising but no democracy.

Syria was a beautiful country, now it and its people are ruined. How do I know, same reason I gave above. I have met Syrian female colleagues who explain how stunning that country used to be.

The conclusion, these areas didn't want democracy in the 21st century.

Womens rights
Christopher Hitchens described the best way to 'cure poverty' and improve a society is to empower women. They raise it up if you educate them, let them run schools, let them make choices about their body e.g. contraception.

“MT [Mother Teresa] was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction.”
― Christopher Hitchens

In these examples two religions (for balance) lead to irrational decisions which are not in the best interest of the welfare of humans.

We should ask what would Hawking do? :D
 
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Wow at the levels of racism in here that would normally earn a holiday!

don't expect consistency from the mods - just asking a question or putting anything slightly critical in a happy [some religious festival] thread will get deletions/warnings about 'trolling'

openly racist statements get ignored
 
So the God that these people praise and constantly worship just watches people getting crushed to death. If it exists it's evil and not worth bothering with. Thoughts to those that lost loved ones, I hope those in charge rethink how it's managed in future.
 
don't expect consistency from the mods - just asking a question or putting anything slightly critical in a happy [some religious festival] thread will get deletions/warnings about 'trolling'

openly racist statements get ignored

Dont you get sick and tired of ranting about the same old bs, do you really expect me to believe you care so much about arabs that you think im offending and being racist to them over a harmless comment. It's got you in such a twist.

Or is it again to do with you proving something against muslims.

hmm I wonder...
 
don't expect consistency from the mods - just asking a question or putting anything slightly critical in a happy [some religious festival] thread will get deletions/warnings about 'trolling'

openly racist statements get ignored

What's your problem?

Detracting a thread which is supposed to be about a religious festival is not acceptable. Fine we get it, you and others think religion is laughable. Fine. Just don't post in that thread then and leave it to people who want to share in the festival.

Discussing the facts in this thread, for example, the poor planning of the pilgrimage the poor management from the authorities in Saudi, criticising the lack of humanitarian behaviour and value of life, criticising the apparent disregard of people's safety is fine.

Tarring a group of people (whether they be Arabs or Muslims (not all Arabs are Muslims and neither are all Muslims Arabs)) with overarching demeaning comments is not fair, and surely you can see why we find it unacceptable?

We're trying to move away from the bad old days of acceptable racist/intolerant behaviour or at least where casual racism/bigotry was overlooked. I don't mean this to turn to a soft and cuddly forum where people cannot express an opinion - but we expect people to express it with a little common sense, empathy and a bit of care. I don't think that's too much to ask?
 
What's your problem?

In this particular thread I think he problem is that the below policy (which was s to be applauded):

We're trying to move away from the bad old days of acceptable racist/intolerant behaviour or at least where casual racism/bigotry was overlooked. I don't mean this to turn to a soft and cuddly forum where people cannot express an opinion - but we expect people to express it with a little common sense, empathy and a bit of care. I don't think that's too much to ask?

Is not being applied in the case of B&W using "fat lazy Arabs". Which would quite easily fall under casual racism/bigotry.
 
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