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This. Except that some dogs don't smell, whereas all cats do. And they're evil.
Complete Rubbish.
To me as a personal opinion indoor cats is wrong in so many ways.
Same as declawing.
Cats are mad period, we have 2 one is a nasty little ******* but the other one does not give a ****.
Guy come to fit new board band had a SDS drill, one cat shot off the other just looked and fell back to sleep.
We have a paranoid cat and a don't give flying **** cat.
Same as declawing.
Cats are mad period, we have 2 one is a nasty little ******* but the other one does not give a ****.
Guy come to fit new board band had a SDS drill, one cat shot off the other just looked and fell back to sleep.
We have a paranoid cat and a don't give flying **** cat.
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Sorry I meant to say they're evil incarnate, my bad.
A dog is clearly an inappropriate pet for the OP given he'll be leaving it alone for up to nine hours a day. A dog would go insane. I'd just get a few Degu or similar personally. Maybe not quite as fun as a cat or a dog, but they're a big step up from a hamster/guinea pig, they won't wreck your home and they won't attack visitors.
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Ahh the "old guns don't kill people, people kill people argument"...OK
They kill what are officially classified as 'vermin' and a few birds. The latter have the ability to fly so to be caught and killed by a land mammal is kind of natural selection at play.
99.9% of all species that have ever existed are now extinct. I don't know about you but I've never lost any sleep of the loss of the Dodo, have you?
Bull excrement, we are. We are the only species that 'controls' wildlife populations for nothing but our own benefit and I'm damn sure we're responsible for the extinction of more species of animal than cats ever have been.
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How many thousands of species of insects, birds and mammals could be inhabiting the unkempt foliage that would exist where your house/flat is if it weren't for humans building over natural habitats.
Why don't you care about all the displaced and non-existent animals caused by human existence?
What about frogs, voles, bats the list goes on,
very obviously ignorant cat owner ******** on other species because you seek companionship from an animal to quell you feelings of loneliness.
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People are responsible for making species extinct, so it doesn't matter if domestic cats help the situation along? Broken logic, much? Why bother fighting deforestation? The ivory trade? Why don't we just start pumping all of our waste back in to the oceans again? We're going to kill everything anyway, may as well get on with it.
Yup, we're a terrible species. We do a little bit for conservation, but only where the inconvenience to our lives is minimal. In the case of cat ownership the point is simple - not breeding the things in such large numbers is one of the easy things that we can do without much inconvenience. As such, why wouldn't we do it? There are plenty of other, far more benign species that we can keep as pets.
Or just do as many others do and keep the cat indoors.
Yup, we're a terrible species. We do a little bit for conservation, but only where the inconvenience to our lives is minimal. In the case of cat ownership the point is simple - not breeding the things in such large numbers is one of the easy things that we can do without much inconvenience. As such, why wouldn't we do it? There are plenty of other, far more benign species that we can keep as pets.
Or just do as many others do and keep the cat indoors.
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Yes, many people "feel" that indoor cats are living terrible lives.
The reality is not black and white. Whilst your average moggie is probably expected to live outside, many pedigree breeds are expected to stay indoors. Those cats can be perfectly happy. The proof is living in homes up and down the country. Perhaps you could meet some of those cats.
Of course, if you left a door open, pretty much every cat would eventually go outside. Because curiosity. Doesn't mean they need to, or that there is anything out there which would make them ha nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnppier. <- (right on cue, that's Bella's contribution to my post
)Take it you never owned a cat?
They do what the **** they like and the is sod all you can do about it.
I like that trait.
Or I could allow my two cats to live in a habitat more similar to their ancestors (outdoors) where they thrive and enjoy life. If a few birds, mice, rabbits have to die in the process, well I'm afraid that's nature.
We have a male cat called Leo who now about 7 months old and just had all his injections along with 2 bricks between his legs.
We'e had him from 3 months old and since then he's been 100% litter trained. They are so clean.
In the last fortnight we've started letting him venture outside. Once outside and every now and again he'll appear in the front room and meow to announce his presence and then he'll go back outside again. He always come back at night. We are lucky as we live in a cull-de-sac with trees and large gardens everywhere.
Night-time he sleeps with us. We have his little bed in the corner of the bedroom.
Kids love him and he's great addition to the family.
This is the 2nd day we adopted him .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUw0oLRm3QU
We'e had him from 3 months old and since then he's been 100% litter trained. They are so clean.
In the last fortnight we've started letting him venture outside. Once outside and every now and again he'll appear in the front room and meow to announce his presence and then he'll go back outside again. He always come back at night. We are lucky as we live in a cull-de-sac with trees and large gardens everywhere.
Night-time he sleeps with us. We have his little bed in the corner of the bedroom.
Kids love him and he's great addition to the family.
This is the 2nd day we adopted him .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUw0oLRm3QU
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Just going to be put my opinions in.
I've always had a cat growing up, very used to them. I love pretty much all animals I come across (apart from bugs) and If I see one in the direction I'm going, I will approach it, if runs away, I'll be on my way, if It doesn't, I'll have a quick check to see if it has a collar/looks unhealthy, if it looks fine, I'll give it a quick pet (if it lets me) say Hi and be on my way. Never had any issues with ones that don't run away, always come across lovable cats and dogs.
Even have a few on my way home from work (I have no idea who owns them) who actually come to me when they see me, which is quite nice after a long day, known a few of them for some years. Lovable guys/girls.
Anyway, I've had 3 cats growing up (I'm 24), Our first cat called Sam (he was 12, I was 4 at the time so I don't remember him), was shot by a pellet-gun in the head. We still don't know who did it, but my parents found him on the side of the street. He's buried in our garden.
Our second cat who was called Susie was I believe 4years old. We let her out one day and she never came back. Don't know where she went or what happened.
Our last cat as a family was 15 years old named Daisy, we had her since she was a couple of weeks old from a friend who's cat had a litter (I was 8) Needless to say, I grew up with her. She was mainly an in-door cat but she went outside sometimes, but only into our garden and only stayed out for about an hour before she cried to get back in. I love her very much, she slept on my bed most nights and during the day. Very lovable and fluffy. We never trimmed her claws, she did that herself on a tree in our garden and we had no bother from her. She was defiantly the boss of the house and was spoiled rotten though, but she was easy to please
Unfortunately she got ill recently and turned out she had kidney failure and she was in allot of pain. We had to have her put down last year and shes buried in the garden next to Sam. I miss her very much.
Pic of her:
Anyway
I'm going to get 2 cats when I find my own house, mainly just so they have someone to play with if they are not sleeping while I'm at work. Think its unfair to leave 1 cat alone.
I've always had a cat growing up, very used to them. I love pretty much all animals I come across (apart from bugs) and If I see one in the direction I'm going, I will approach it, if runs away, I'll be on my way, if It doesn't, I'll have a quick check to see if it has a collar/looks unhealthy, if it looks fine, I'll give it a quick pet (if it lets me) say Hi and be on my way. Never had any issues with ones that don't run away, always come across lovable cats and dogs.
Even have a few on my way home from work (I have no idea who owns them) who actually come to me when they see me, which is quite nice after a long day, known a few of them for some years. Lovable guys/girls.
Anyway, I've had 3 cats growing up (I'm 24), Our first cat called Sam (he was 12, I was 4 at the time so I don't remember him), was shot by a pellet-gun in the head. We still don't know who did it, but my parents found him on the side of the street. He's buried in our garden.
Our second cat who was called Susie was I believe 4years old. We let her out one day and she never came back. Don't know where she went or what happened.
Our last cat as a family was 15 years old named Daisy, we had her since she was a couple of weeks old from a friend who's cat had a litter (I was 8) Needless to say, I grew up with her. She was mainly an in-door cat but she went outside sometimes, but only into our garden and only stayed out for about an hour before she cried to get back in. I love her very much, she slept on my bed most nights and during the day. Very lovable and fluffy. We never trimmed her claws, she did that herself on a tree in our garden and we had no bother from her. She was defiantly the boss of the house and was spoiled rotten though, but she was easy to please
Unfortunately she got ill recently and turned out she had kidney failure and she was in allot of pain. We had to have her put down last year and shes buried in the garden next to Sam. I miss her very much.Pic of her:
Anyway
I'm going to get 2 cats when I find my own house, mainly just so they have someone to play with if they are not sleeping while I'm at work. Think its unfair to leave 1 cat alone.
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"They are the single biggest threat to wildlife in this country to date."
Where does it state that?
That report mentions australia, NZ, the Seychelles, nothing to do with this country. NZ has rare wildlife that has no natural predadors and Australia has a large feral cat population. Nothing to do with here. Speaking anecdotally I grew up with a fair sized garden and the racket from birdsong in the summer was something that used to wake me up. Havn't heard it since and that I think you'll find is down to decline of gardens in general ripped up and replaced by deck paving, gravel and "low maintenance". Our cat brought back mice on a regular basis and only the occasional bird. Oh and the odd rat, I can still remember my mothers screams on that account.Utterly ignorant ******.
I'll wade in with an opinion, as we have 2 cats and being a cat owner means I'm naturally highly opinionated
My cats are also indoor cats and have been all their lives.Firstly, don't take anyone elses opinion as gospel except that of the vets (and then always contemplate that with a little criticism). Particularly avoid taking to heart the opinion of other cat owners. Cat owners always think their opinion is the correct one, they can be the most repugnant of people. It's expected though, they're passionate about their cats and rightfully so. If you want to keep your cats indoors then do so, the vet told me it was fine, so long as you offered your cat lots of stimulus. Our house looks like kids live with us, there are toys galore. We also have two cats, I wouldn't leave one on its own. Get two to keep eachother company, two is much more fun anyway.
Having indoor cats was a decision based on our location. We are near some main roads and the motorway isn't far either. In the last 18 months of living here we have received several flyers through the door for missing cats. My other half found a dead/dying cat on the main road. My other half is also on a local community facebook page and on there are regular posts for missing cats. There was also a spate of people leaving out poison or anti freeze in bowls of water to kill cats, (some people are mindless idiots). If we lived in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by fields, we'd let our cats roam. We don't, so they don't. Look at it this way, if you had a pet bird, would you throw it out the window every day? If you had a pet fish, would you chuck it in the river everyday? Would you let a young child roam in traffic? Ignore other peoples opinion, make your own mind up, allowing your cat to roam around the streets on its own is a culturally acceptable thing which I don't understand. If I let my dog foul all over the street and your garden I could be fined for it. Why not a cat?
So people will tell you it is cruel to keep your cats indoors, which of course it isn't because the vet told me it isn't and what's more the RSPCA would have been called out by now to take my cats away for cruelty. Other cat owner friends of mine have expressed to me it's cruel, yet these same people continue to just feed their cats dry kibble for their lives. Now I consider that to be cruel. Cats don't tend to drink water and by condemning them to a life of dry cat food you are risking them all kinds of liver, kidney and deficiencies as they grow old. Research long and hard into what you'll feed them.
Be sure you can afford to maintain them. They need neutering, immunisations, regular flea and worm treatment and a monthly insurance plan (if you cannot afford any treatment or surgery for illness and disease yourself).
As for the comments about smell. A cats stool smell is largely dictated by its food intake. Kibble and cheap tinned meat (whiskers and the usual crap) will naturally make your cat poop stink. You can counter this by either feeding them a better diet or using a decent cat litter box and litter. We opted to do both. Our cats seldom smell the house out.
As for the mess they make, well that is something you'll have to accept. It's like having kids, you're going to have to clean up after them. Your home will be as messy as you allow it to become.
We absolutely love our cats, they are the most pampered spoilt little buggers in the world. They are very attached to us and us to them. They generally follow us around the house. Poppy will come sit at the side of my bath and chirp at me, she plays fetch like a dog and is always sat beside you wherever you are. Barry will come in to wake me up every morning and have a cuddle and when he isn't getting attention when we're watching TV he will come play fight with me. Neither of them have ever scratched us, they've been man handled since kittens.
TL: DR
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Keep cats indoors if you want
Feed them decent food
Use decent cat litter
Provide lots of toys
Be prepared to spend money
GET TWO!
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Oh and an indoor cat right now.
DSC_0195 by Neil Gates, on Flickr
Much suffering. Much cruelty. Call RSPCA.
DSC_0195 by Neil Gates, on FlickrMuch suffering. Much cruelty. Call RSPCA.