How far is this VW thing going to go?

Hopefully we'll see a greater number of decent petrol motors now. Second hand market is saturated withtractor engines. Been looking for a decent petrol saloon but its much trickier than it used to be.
 
shadow_boxer said:
Hopefully we'll see a greater number of decent petrol motors now. Second hand market is saturated withtractor engines. Been looking for a decent petrol saloon but its much trickier than it used to be.
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Took me a long time to find one. Wanted an f10 530i but in the six months I was looking only one showed up and it was in flipping gold. Went f30 328i in the end. Great engine though!
 
I have always been puzzled that more manufacturers (or even any) do not make petrol vehicles with factory fitted LPG as an option.

Especially for Vans!

(Are there any petrol vans out these these days? And by that I mean working vans, not the luxury high end sporty ones)
 
In terms of punitive damages, this easily has the capability of being larger than the BP Gulf of Alaska incident. Multiple criminal offences have been committed in multiple jurisdictions.

I suspect you will now see a cascade of manufacturers admit that their vehicles have similar 'issues'. I would be surprised if any diesel engine from any manufacturer comes out of this well.
 
If this means a reduction of diesel vehicles on the road so much the better.

They should have banned diesels from cities ages ago in my opinion.

Many modern petrols now are economic, low emission, and that little bit more pleasant to drive, and less noisy as well as cheaper to maintain (diesels tend to be expensive to look after).
 
Freefaller said:
If this means a reduction of diesel vehicles on the road so much the better.

They should have banned diesels from cities ages ago in my opinion.

Many modern petrols now are economic, low emission, and that little bit more pleasant to drive, and less noisy as well as cheaper to maintain (diesels tend to be expensive to look after).
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Shame our whole company car tax system penalises you for petrol cars though. :(
 
Freefaller said:
If this means a reduction of diesel vehicles on the road so much the better.

They should have banned diesels from cities ages ago in my opinion.

Many modern petrols now are economic, low emission, and that little bit more pleasant to drive, and less noisy as well as cheaper to maintain (diesels tend to be expensive to look after).
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Genuine question, are diesels really that much more expensive to look after, or is it just all of the extra technology that's bolted on for economy and emissions? Surely small modern ultra-eco petrol engines with tiny turbos etc are going to be just as complex (and therefore expensive to fix/run) as turbo diesels?
 
Haggisman said:
Genuine question, are diesels really that much more expensive to look after, or is it just all of the extra technology that's bolted on for economy and emissions? Surely small modern ultra-eco petrol engines with tiny turbos etc are going to be just as complex (and therefore expensive to fix/run) as turbo diesels?
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Yes. Much shorter time between services/oil changes. And all that technology used to keep emissions down breaks often and is very expensive to fix.


And for the same performance, diesel cars cost more to buy in the first place.


It used to be that you could save money running a diesel over a petrol without doing massive miles per annum. Last time i did the calcs it was almost 25k per year you needed to do to be better off with a diesel. I suspect it will be even more now.


But try telling my father that who buys a new diesel every two years and does 4k per annum
 
Greebo said:
Yes. Much shorter time between services/oil changes. And all that technology used to keep emissions down breaks often and is very expensive to fix.


And for the same performance, diesel cars cost more to buy in the first place.


It used to be that you could save money running a diesel over a petrol without doing massive miles per annum. Last time i did the calcs it was almost 25k per year you needed to do to be better off with a diesel. I suspect it will be even more now.


But try telling my father that who buys a new diesel every two years and does 4k per annum
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Not sure where you get your calculations from but I do ~15k miles per year and the cost of running a petrol over a diesel would cost me close to £800per year with increased fuel and tax costs. A petrol version of my car would be £350 cheaper brand new but over 3 years of ownership will cost me well over ~£2400 extra to run. So in the long run getting a diesel saves me ~£2000.

Real MPG numbers for my car
1.6T Petrol ~37 MPG
1.5T Diesel ~54 MPG

~46% better fuel economy and zero road tax (£130 for the petrol). So while going diesel for low mileage is lunacy it does make a difference from significantly less mileage than 24K.
 
Weird figures you have there and must be an anomaly.

Normally the price difference between diesel and petrol is around £2k. Then dont forget to throw in all the extra services and the extra cost of them.


And really, the equivalent petrol only does 37 vs 54? What car?
 
Good articles here on comparisons

https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/petrol-diesel-878






Also i have the actual fuel economy from a diesel seems to be much less than with petrols.


All that start/stop technology which gives you 75 official figures but then only 55 in real life so when comparing you really should use one of the websites which has actually tested real life mpg.


And dont forget that we arent talking about same size engines between petrol and diesel.


Take the fiesta for example. The 1.2 petrol is the same performance figures as the the 1.5TDCI. More often than not, the equivalent petrol version is the much smaller petrol engine and hence why the price saving on average is 2k.


Even with a bmw 3 series you can have the faster 2l petrol for £2.5k less than the 320d or slightly slower you can go with a 318i for a 5k saving.
 
ICDP said:
Not sure where you get your calculations from but I do ~15k miles per year and the cost of running a petrol over a diesel would cost me close to £800per year with increased fuel and tax costs. A petrol version of my car would be £350 cheaper brand new but over 3 years of ownership will cost me well over ~£2400 extra to run. So in the long run getting a diesel saves me ~£2000.

Real MPG numbers for my car
1.6T Petrol ~37 MPG
1.5T Diesel ~54 MPG

~46% better fuel economy and zero road tax (£130 for the petrol). So while going diesel for low mileage is lunacy it does make a difference from significantly less mileage than 24K.
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I bet that 1.6 is a hell of a lot quicker than the 1.5!
 
Greebo said:
Normally the price difference between diesel and petrol is around £2k. Then dont forget to throw in all the extra services and the extra cost of them.
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What extra services? The difference between getting a service at 12000 and 10,000 isn't going to be that heart breaking. 1 extra service every 5 years? Don't get me wrong I have had two Seat Ibiza PD TDI's from new. Just got rid of the 2nd one today. My commute is 45 miles each way and between both cars in 13 years it's cost me a one pair of front springs.

My Mrs Honda Jazz over 5 years has cost me 5x more than both cars put together and the servicing isn't that much cheaper.

Again, not that I would buy diesel again, even with my commute the numbers didn't work anymore (I also wouldn't touch a car with a DPF but that's another issue). When my Mrs picked her new car up today the Skoda salesman said the phone is constant with people moaning about the VW 'issue'.
 
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